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Old 12-16-2013, 05:18 PM   #21
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I think a lot of people forget what they were designed for - killing Germans in an old-school, trench-warfare type situation. Yes they were used as sniper rifles. But in Stalingrad it was building to building type shooting and the same thing existed in Berlin in 1945.

Mosins were designed for simplicity in manufacturing and to your point about modern rifles, they were not even close in terms of tolerances, etc. Last time I checked we don't mount bayonets on modern rifles either

I would not hesitate to use a M-N out to 150 yards or so to take a deer with open sights. There are some hunting situations (woods) here in Minnesota where I'd actually prefer it. But like you say, let's not kid ourselves these things aren't Remington 700s
Most WWII sniping was a close range affair. Most shots were under 100 yards. A successful WWII sniper could get close to his/her target without attracting attention. After the shot the sniper would just disappear into the crowd. Many civilians endured great hardships during WWII, so there was always a crowd around soldiers looking for hand outs.

The most prolific sniper was a Finn who used a Mosin Nagant. His targets were Russians.
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Most WWII sniping was a close range affair. Most shots were under 100 yards. A successful WWII sniper could get close to his/her target without attracting attention. After the shot the sniper would just disappear into the crowd. Many civilians endured great hardships during WWII, so there was always a crowd around soldiers looking for hand outs.

The most prolific sniper was a Finn who used a Mosin Nagant. His targets were Russians.
My understanding is that SHE killed over 500 Ruskies with open sights
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If buying to sporter ilze, cut up, drill, etc. I wouldn't worry about things like finish, or matching numbers. All I would really worry about is function and bore condition.

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My understanding is that SHE killed over 500 Ruskies with open sights
eeerrmm, she was a he. The most prolific Russian sniper was a she.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4

http://listverse.com/2009/11/13/top-10-snipers-in-history/
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Let's not confuse the poor guy with the details...(and there are many)...of a Russian surplus rifle...

OP-A good Mosin has 4 simple qualities for the first time buyer...

1-Bore

2-Bore

3-Bore

4-Muzzle

If you/he knows what a good bore looks like, then you're good to go...

A counterbored muzzle isn't a bad thing, just not the most desirable. It most likely means the crown was damaged at some point and was re-crowned because the rifling was still good. A counterbore will not neccesarily affect accuracy. CB'd rifles are out there, but far from the norm...

I've bought several M91/30's online and they are all very good, nearly indestructible, non-CB'd, everyday shooters...

The crap pieces I've come across are the ones in the LGS that are overpriced, "pre owned", which someone didn't take care of, didn't clean properly and discarded because they thought their bargain gun was a POS/had trouble cycling the action/kicked "too hard"...yadda yadda...

As far as I'm concerned, the Mosin is the BEST VALUE for the money...inexpensive in initial cost, as well as the ammo...(for now) and it will out live you and your kids...if you take the time and care to clean and maintain it properly...

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I must have been thinking about this one

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyudmila_Pavlichenko
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I think we are buying it more as a project gun.

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Sweet! Make sure you put up pics when you get it and after you do any work to it

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Sweet! Make sure you put up pics when you get it and after you do any work to it
I'll try to get pictures when I can. My father has already bought the rifle. Unknown manufacturer. The receiver has really sloppy stamping.
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