Originally Posted by Shoobee
The 8mm Mauser was a German hunting gun adapted to warfare.
It is the opposite, a Military round used for hunting, just as the .30-06 its' child is
It compares similarly with the 30-06 Springfield, although slightly less powerful than the 06. But more powerful than the 308.
I'm not sure where you get your data. M2 Ball was a 150gr bullet loaded to 2700fps, German Ss 196gr is loaded to 2700fps. 147gr German 7.92x57 was 2900fps. Even today, The two are neck and neck until you hit 180gr and above, then the 8x57 has a slight advantage.
All 3 of them ('06, Mauser, and 308) are essentially big game hunting guns.
The Germans realized first that these calibers were essentially too big for practical infantry warfare. Great for snipers, not good for foot soldiers.
Thus the carbine era was then born with the StG, AK and M-1 Carbine.
These ultimately evolved into the AK-74 and the AR's.
So it all depends on your quary.
If you are hunting or defending-against men, then the AK-74 or the various American 5.56's are better.
If you are hunting deer, then the 308's or Mauser's are better.
.308, .30-06, or 8x57 will take there share of Elk and bear. In .308, bullet choice is critical as is range.
Originally Posted by Shoobee
I have hunting buddies who have shot black bears with 30-06's and have had to shoot them over and over before they finally died.
Ergo for bears I would strongly suggest a magnum rifle of some kind, not a 308 nor a Mauser.
I don't hunt bears because I don't like bear meat -- tried it and it is tough and nasty.
But I did confront a bear once, and with my 338 magnum rifle at the time I had no doubt I could have killed him had he charged.
He must have read my body language because he took off running the second we made eye contact.
Most Black bear are shot at less then 100 yards. .308, .30-06, 8x57, all are fine choices. It is when you talk bigger bears such as Brown or Grizzly that you need the correct bullet. Needing a heavy bullet makes the .308 questionable. The .30-06 and 8x57 will do the job, if you can shoot.
Manufacturer: Barnes Description: Triple-Shock™ X Boattail
Caliber: 0.323 in Weight: 180.0 gr
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.381 G1 (ASM)
Muzzle Velocity: 2700.0 ft/s Distance to Chronograph: 1.0 ft
Sight Height: 1.50 in Sight Offset: 0.00 in
Zero Height: 0.00 in Zero Offset: 0.00 in
Windage: 0.000 MOA Elevation: 0.000 MOA
Line Of Sight Angle: 0.0 deg Cant Angle: 0.0 deg
Wind Speed: 5.0 mph Wind Angle: 90.0 deg
Target Speed: 0.0 mph Target Angle: 0.0 deg
Target Height: 12.0 in
Temperature: 59.0 °F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg
Humidity: 0 % Altitude: 0.0 ft
Vital Zone Radius: 5.0 in
Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No Pressure is Corrected: Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No Target Relative Drops: Yes
Mark Sound Barrier Crossing: No Include Extra Rows: No
Column 1 Units: 1.00 in Column 2 Units: 1.00 MOA
Round Output to Whole Numbers: No
Elevation: 4.706 MOA Windage: 0.000 MOA
Atmospheric Density: 0.07647 lb/ft³ Speed of Sound: 1116.4 ft/s
Maximum PBR: 318 yd Maximum PBR Zero: 271 yd
Range of Maximum Height: 150 yd Energy at Maximum PBR: 1567.3 ft•lbs
Sectional Density: 0.246 lb/in²
RangeDrop Drop WindWind Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead
(yd) (in)(MOA) (in) (MOA (ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) time
0 -1.5 *** 0.0 *** 2700.8 2.419 2915.0 0.000 0.0 ***
50 0.3 0.7 0.1 0.2 2579.2 2.310 2658.3 0.057 0.0 0.0
100 0.9 0.9 0.5 0.4 2460.8 2.204 2419.8 0.116 0.0 0.0
150 -0.0 -0.0 1.1 0.7 2345.5 2.101 2198.4 0.179 0.0 0.0
200 -2.5 -1.2 2.0 0.9 2233.2 2.000 1993.0 0.244 0.0 0.0
Just under 2000fpe at 200 yards is no slouch.
OP, if you want all the performance the 8x57 has, you better become a recoil junkie!! You really need to reload for it also.