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nhjon1980 05-11-2014 10:59 PM

8mm Mauser v .30-06
 
I have a 8mm Mauser and my wife has a .30-06. Which one is better for hunting big game like deer, bear, and moose?


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dwmiller 05-11-2014 11:05 PM

6 of 1, half dozen of the other.....

The 8mm carries a heavier bullet and greater energy. 30-06 is flatter shooting over the same distance. Both are capable of taking large game with the right bullet choices....

Hawg 05-11-2014 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dwmiller (Post 1574173)
6 of 1, half dozen of the other.....

The 8mm carries a heavier bullet and greater energy. 30-06 is flatter shooting over the same distance. Both are capable of taking large game with the right bullet choices....

Agreed. The 8MM might do a tad better with heavier bullets than the 30-06 but I doubt you'd notice the difference in the field.

Axxe55 05-12-2014 02:44 AM

at the distances most deer are taken on the average here in the US, i doubt the deer will be able to tell the difference if you both use the proper ammo and practice shot placement.

now there are some who think that the American 8mm Mauser ammo is a bit underpowered compared to European ammo for it.

here are some ballistics from Hornady on the 8mm Muaser and the 30-06 for comparison.

http://www.hornady.com/store/8x57-JS-195gr-SP/

http://www.hornady.com/store/30-06-Springfield-180-gr-SP/

303tom 05-12-2014 01:41 PM

The .30-06 is the better cartridge !.....................

Axxe55 05-12-2014 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 303tom (Post 1574424)
The .30-06 is the better cartridge !.....................

i have had at least one rifle in 30-06 for over 35 years now, but i wouldn't turn down a rifle in 8mm Mauser if someone wanted to give me one!:D

RaySendero 05-13-2014 02:30 AM

8mm vs 30-06
 
Hey Axxe, I've got both and use both hunting.
There's really not that much difference if you reload the 8x57.
(US made 8mm Mauser loads are way under-powered)

A 180 grain 30-06 bullet and a 196 grain 8mm bullet have the same sectional density. Norma loads the 180 30-06 cartridge to 2,700 fps and loads the 196 grain 8x57 cartridge to 2,526 fps. Sellier/Bellot load a 180 30-06 cartridge to 2,670 fps and their 196 8x57 to 2,592.

All these loads above go about 2,850 to 2,950 muzzle energy.



To me its been more about the rifles than the cartridges.
I like a 3x9 scoped 22" barrel 30-06 for general BG hunting. BUT
I liked the two 8x57 below as a low powered or iron sighted hog rifle:

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medi...x57_011505.jpg

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medi...7_071010_3.JPG

therewolf 05-13-2014 04:10 AM

All other things being approximately equal,

the 30.06 is easier to find, here, in the states,

in overall selection and quality,

and much more popular to reload for.

TekGreg 05-13-2014 04:59 AM

Also ask what is your hunting environment? If it's open plains where you'll be taking 300-600 yard shots with a 30X scope, the flatter shooting .30-06 would probably be superior. If hunting in brush or may have to take a shot where the target is behind brush, the heavy bullet 8mm may handle so,e brush-crushing with less deflection. Temperature and barometric pressure may also affect one round over another if follow-up shots are a possibility. Each should be tested in real World conditions to determine if one is better in those conditions.

jpattersonnh 05-14-2014 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TekGreg (Post 1574843)
Also ask what is your hunting environment? If it's open plains where you'll be taking 300-600 yard shots with a 30X scope, the flatter shooting .30-06 would probably be superior. If hunting in brush or may have to take a shot where the target is behind brush, the heavy bullet 8mm may handle so,e brush-crushing with less deflection. Temperature and barometric pressure may also affect one round over another if follow-up shots are a possibility. Each should be tested in real World conditions to determine if one is better in those conditions.


Greg, not to pick your post out, but for an example, I will. It does not matter the bullet weight. Hitting a branch, even a small one in any caliber is a disaster. 8x57 is the parent case of .30-06. The reason .30-06 has a larger case length is the U.S. Military, all the way back to when it was .30-03 Gov't did not have the technology in powders to use a shorter case to match the 57mm German case. I load 180gr Barnes, 175gr Sierra hunters .323 to 2700fps+. I doubt any game will know the difference between the 2 at a similar velocity, Same goes for a 180gr .30-06. 150gr .323(8x57) are running about 2900fps+-. The .30-06 is just so Vanilla. POI w/ a 100 yard zero at 200 yards is within .2" w/ a 180gr. Energy at 200 yards is within 28fpe. velocity 70fps.


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