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Old 05-28-2013, 11:37 AM   #181
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I agree. I've NEVER lost a deer with my hand loads out of a .223. Come to think about it, none of my friends have either.

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I think everyone is being pretty vague on what a deer is. Depending on what state you live in it may be a 100 - 250 pounder. I'd take a .223 for smaller deer but not for a 200 lb whitetail or an elk.
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I don't think they are being vague at all. Folks call Elk, Elk. Not deer.

I have never heard or read someone using the term deer when referring to elk.

Deer, pronghorn, Elk, Mullies. The deer is used for whitetails.

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I don't think they are being vague at all. Folks call Elk, Elk. Not deer.

I have never heard or read someone using the term deer when referring to elk.

Deer, pronghorn, Elk, Mullies. The deer is used for whitetails.
Even whitetails range greatly in size depending on what state your in. This what I mean by vague.
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Some folks won't hunt white tails with a .243, or (gasp) a .223, but you are willing to hunt them with a .357 revolver??? Really??

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I think everyone is being pretty vague on what a deer is. Depending on what state you live in it may be a 100 - 250 pounder. I'd take a .223 for smaller deer but not for a 200 lb whitetail or an elk.
I live in Arkansas. The whitetail here typically range from 110-200lbs. Most common size sits around 145lbs or so.
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[QUOTE=locutus;1260258]Some folks won't hunt white tails with a .243, or (gasp) a .223, but you are willing to hunt them with a .357 revolver??? Really??[/QUOTE
Thank you. We all crow and blather about

"Ethical kills" with rifles and rifle ammo,

and there's folks out there for whom an

unethical shot, be it accurate or not, is

almost a certainty.

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I agree. I've NEVER lost a deer with my hand loads out of a .223. Come to think about it, none of my friends have either.

BTW, you up for sharing your reload data??
I use either a 55gr or 60gr Hornady V-max
27.5gr B-Lc(2)

I also trim, and turn the brass. I ream the primer pocket too.
Wow, an explosive Varmint bullet for medium sized game? That's a subject for another heated discussion right there.
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Here is the deal with 223 hunting as I see it, I have seen countless 223 ballistic gel tests, and seen many a deer shot with them, while I am no ballistics PhD I do have some idea what I am talking about.
The 223 caliber bullets face challenges with both poor external ballistics leading to low energy retention at range and the vast majority of them have very limited penetration most are in the 12" range and the TSX/ bonded bullets can run in the 14-16".
Every hunter needs to know his game his range and what shots he needs to take, I think everyone would agree that at a bare minimum your bullet should have enough penetration to pass through the vitals area, there is nothing magic about the .224 cal (or any caliber) that makes it exempt from this requirement. So even with the TSX, Partition or TBBC you are rather limited on your shot angle if you run across larger deer, though with the little deer around here 16" would get you through the vitals on a hard quartering shot.
On the topic of energy, I do hold to he 800 fpe as a good minimum as do most ballistics experts, while some say as high as 1,300 ft/lbs I consider that a better recommended number and not your minimum. We all know the 223 produces well in excess of 800 fpe at the muzzle but with the lackluster BC of most 223 bullets how far will you keep it. Just a general guidline is flat base soft point bullets (Partition, Power Point, TSX....etc) maintain that out to aprox 100 yards in a carbine AR and about 125 yards in a full sized bolt gun.
If I ever did decide to try a 223 I would try something like this. 25.6gr BL-C(2) powder (Max) and a 75gr Swift Scirocco 2, that should give me about 2845fps in a bolt action, the Swift has a remarkably high BC for a .224 caliber .419 BC and as a side bonus it is a bonded bullet so penetration should be adequate. Running the math on that I would still have 800fpe at 300 yards which I would consider acceptable, trajectory and and drift also fall into acceptable ranges in fact in terms of external ballistics that load would mimic a 150gr 308 very very closely.
With 300 yards of effective range that would push the 223 hot on the heels of the 243 win, shame nobody offers that in a commercial load, sorry guys you have to roll your own.

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Wow, an explosive Varmint bullet for medium sized game? That's a subject for another heated discussion right there.
Do you have any idea how it works?? Probably not I guessing...

I'm not irresponsible, I did my research before I started hunting with a .223. This load offers good penetration, and destroys the vitals. I pick my shots very carefully, and I know what this load is capable of. I typically don't have to shoot at them beyond 150yds or so. You would hate my friend, he uses 53gr superformance out of the box. He has shot three deer with it so far, and now one has gone past 20yds.

Do your own research before you judge, if you're not going to then keep your mouth shut.
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You could no doubt kill a deer with a varmint round, but I agree that it is probably the worst possible choice, especially when you factor in that the 223 does not have that margin of overkill that the more common deer cartridges do. How many inches of penetration do you get on game, because the V-Max I have seen tested only went aprox 7.5" that is piss poor in my book. Not to be confrontational but any bullet that is designed to completely break apart would be unethical for deer especially in a 224" bore, and I HAVE done my research.

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