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Old 05-18-2013, 09:06 PM   #111
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I use my Ak for deer, hogs, yotes and other varmints. I keep my shooting under a hundred yards if possible. Use soft points and place your shots right and you will fill your freezer.

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Old 05-19-2013, 01:04 PM   #112
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shot placement, i just hate when a .223 guy thinks his ar will be as effective in the boiler room as my .270, just not going to happen
The rounds were designed for different
purposes. The 223/556 is designed to wound
in a superlative manner, tying up 3 or
4 additional enemy personnel per injured man.

But you need to let people think what they want.
You won't change their mind, in all
likelihood.
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Old 05-19-2013, 04:46 PM   #113
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its a good varmint round, but thats all it will ever be to be honest

most AR guys want to talk about the range being better with .223 but then most of there builds are QCB set ups and we all know the 5.56 is not a good man stopper but yes it does out range our 7.62x39, the x39 is a hell of a lot better for QCB

for me the ergos of an AK are good only with irons,, and the AR has better ergos for optics, i personally like optics and precision but i love the beauty and die hard reliability of a AK

bottom line is
the bigger the living target, the bigger your bullet should be to be effective

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I've tracked way to many whitetail shot by .243's to ever trust one.
All that proves is you are not a very good shot. Had you been you would have seen the deer go down. My advice keep practicing or get a bigger caliber. I assume you went with the bigger caliber.
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All that proves is you are not a very good shot. Had you been you would have seen the deer go down. My advice keep practicing or get a bigger caliber. I assume you went with the bigger caliber.
lol well that wasnt nice at all,, by the way bigger calibers dont always work either
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its a good varmint round, but thats all it will ever be to be honest
The .223/5.56 has an almost unprecedented twist rate with some barrels.

While I don't want to submit that round will tear up a deer's boiler room, I'm

fairly excited to see what my new-to-me 22" HBAR 1/7 barrel will

do with iron sights on paper and in the field, with the heavier 5.56 rounds.


You can also see, as some of the recent posts indicate, there are those whose

opinions more than likely won't change soon.
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i live in the country and the first .223 i got was due to the ammo (at one time) being so affordable and soon realised that from coyote on down it does very well but anything bigger it was marginal, it will kill but im all for a humane kill is all,, thats not opinion thats fact from real world testing

alot of people get there opinion from others peoples words or what they see on tv or youtube, i have personally shot a wild hog in the head at less than 50 yards and all it did was leave a big gash where it just followed along the skull,, it knocked him stupid for a second and gave me time for another shot but i was shocked when i seen what happened

then again my dad tried a head shot on a deer with a 30.06 and missed the brain just destroyed everything in front of the eye,, yes it didnt go far but it still made a good 100' circle over and over till getting hit a second time
so i know that was just an odd shot but still, i just feel there is a proper use for everything

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]its a good varmint round, but thats all it will ever be to be honest [/B]

most AR guys want to talk about the range being better with .223 but then most of there builds are QCB set ups and we all know the 5.56 is not a good man stopper but yes it does out range our 7.62x39, the x39 is a hell of a lot better for QCB

for me the ergos of an AK are good only with irons,, and the AR has better ergos for optics, i personally like optics and precision but i love the beauty and die hard reliability of a AK

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The 5.56X45mm been the best military cartridge in the world for over 50 years. The Russians and Chinease adopted small, high velocity bullets after they saw that out little .223 was twice as effective as their 7.62X39.

So unless you're smarter than all of the military planners of all of the NATO countries, all of the Warsaw Pact countries and China combined, that statement makes no sense at all.

The "bigger bullet" myth was debunked by Roy Weatherby more than 60 year ago.
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The 5.56X45mm been the best military cartridge in the world for over 50 years. The Russians and Chinease adopted small, high velocity bullets after they saw that out little .223 was twice as effective as their 7.62X39.

So unless you're smarter than all of the military planners of all of the NATO countries, all of the Warsaw Pact countries and China combined, that statement makes no sense at all.

The "bigger bullet" myth was debunked by Roy Weatherby more than 60 year ago.
you dont pay attention to well do you

it is very effective at wounding, thats its intention, the bigger bullet is very effective at killing, so yes the military does use it,, but its not and never will be the "best" round they have chosen, just the round chosen based on the idea of wounding the enemy to take him and two others out of the fight,,, with obviously was a mistake which is why there looking in to other ideas now
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a good bold action 7.62x39 rifle should be a good hunting rifle

30.06 from a 24" barrel 150 grain bullet has a muzzle velocity of 2,910 fps 2,820 ft. lbs At 200 yards the figures are 2,342 fps and 1,827 ft. lbs

.308 from a 24" barrel 150 grain bullet has muzzle velocity of 2,820 fps and muzzle energy of 2,648 ft. lbs. The figures at 200 yards are 2,263 fps and 1,705 ft. lbs.

30-30 from a 20" barrel 150 grain bullet has a muzzle velocity of 2,390 fps and 1,605 ft. lbs. of muzzle energy and at 200 yards the velocity is 1,902 fps and the energy is 858 ft. lbs

7.62x39 from a 16" barrel 123 grain FMJ bullet (SD .182) at a muzzle velocity of 2365 fps with a muzzle energy of 1552 ft. lbs. At 100 yards the velocity has dropped to 2062 fps and the energy to 1180 ft. lbs. At 200 yards the velocity is 1783 fps and the energy is 882 ft. lbs. The trajectory for the 7.62x39 looks like this: +1.5" at 100 yards, 0 at 150 yards, -3.8" at 200 yards, -10.4" at 250 yards.

now i cant find any figures on 7.62x39 from a 24" barrel so take in to consideration that the 7.62x39 isn't getting a fair run coming from a barrel that's 8" shorter and semi auto where the 308 and 30.06 are coming from a bolt action with 8" more barrel,,, this makes a big difference

30.06 150g bullet
muzzle 2,910 fps/2,820 ft. lbs
200 yards 2,342 fps/1,827 ft. lbs

.308 150g bullet
muzzle 2,820 fps/2,648 ft. lbs
200 yards 2,263 fps/1,705 ft. lbs.

7.62x54r 150g bullet (23" barrel)
muzzle 2,700 fps/2,193 ft.lbs
200 yards 2,428 fps/1,602 ft. lbs.

30-30 150g bullet
muzzle 2,390 fps/1,605 ft. lbs.
200 yards 1,902 fps/858 ft. lbs.

7.62x39 123g bullet
muzzle 2365 fps/1552 ft. lbs
200 yards 1783 fps/882 ft. lbs

seems to me that for 100-200 yard hunting rifle the 7.62x39 is much cheaper to shoot and would be a worthy rifle for short range bush hunting and should be quite capable of deer and other mid size game with great effect
Back when around here a lot of people used a SKS for deer. In an area where the 30 30 was and still is a hands down favorite for deer most I talked to said it performed about the same, just cost less.
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