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Old 05-11-2013, 06:17 PM   #101
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got my 20" ar15 7.62x39 up and running

here is a video of my 115lb wife shooting a coke can at 100 yards,,, this will give a nice idea of the recoil difference (more than .223 but less than AK47)
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and for all the guys who try and tell me its a waist of a rifle cause its only a 200 yard round,,, thats fine with me as this is my dedicated NIGHT hunting rifle and i dont need much past that,,, and inside of 200 yards ill take 7.62X39 over .223 any day

all 5 shot groups (worst of 5 shot groups)

3" group with 122g Tula HP
2" group with 154g Tula SP
3/4"-1 1/4" group with Winchester 123gFMJ (best and worst group)

20" 1-10 .310 bore model 1 upper not yet free floated rested on bipod

oddly i can get the brass Winchester cheaper than the Tula

another odd fact is the Winchester shot the absolute worst out of every AK47 i have ever owned but shoots the best so far out of this set up

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IMO, if the rifle has value to you, who cares

what other people think about a waste.

As to the ammo performance, that's

consistent with what I'd experienced.

The American design shoots with tighter

internal toleraces, which begs for the boxer

primed American brass. Wonder what some

mild reloads would do for your accuracy.

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When the SKS was $50 outdoor life labeled the SKS as the poor mans deer rifle. I killed plenty of deer with the SKS. I also made great shots that should have downed the deer on the spot. I ended up getting a tracking dog to find the deer. The 7.62x39 passed through both shoulder blades. But the wound looked like someone drilled a hole in the deers shoulder blades, instead of shattering the shoulder blades. I was using premium American made hunting ammunition.

I can not recommend the 7.62x39 as a hunting cartridge. A shotgun with sabots has the same effective range and the deer will not run off after a perfect shot.

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When the SKS was $50 outdoor life labeled the SKS as the poor mans deer rifle. I killed plenty of deer with the SKS. I also made great shots that should have downed the deer on the spot. I ended up getting a tracking dog to find the deer. The 7.62x39 passed through both shoulder blades. But the wound looked like someone drilled a hole in the deers shoulder blades, instead of shattering the shoulder blades. I was using premium American made hunting ammunition.

I can not recommend the 7.62x39 as a hunting cartridge. A shotgun with sabots has the same effective range and the deer will not run off after a perfect shot.
Thay sounds like the fault of the Bullet itself and not the round. You said Premium American made hunting ammo, do you recall the manufacturer and the bullet weight and design?
Oh, I almost forgot, what was the distance?
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Thay sounds like the fault of the Bullet itself and not the round. You said Premium American made hunting ammo, do you recall the manufacturer and the bullet weight and design?
Oh, I almost forgot, what was the distance?
Most of the the time I use Winchester soft point ammo. Using the same bullet design with a 30/06 the shoulder on the exit side is trashed. The deer is easy to find because it will be running on it's chin. You can look for faults if you like. I relayed my experience with the 7.62 x 39. If you don't want to believe it. I don't want to convince you.

Simply look at the ballistics charts at ballistics 101. You will see the .243 has close to 25% more energy from the muzzle than the 7.62x39.
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Most of the the time I use Winchester soft point ammo. Using the same bullet design with a 30/06 the shoulder on the exit side is trashed. The deer is easy to find because it will be running on it's chin. You can look for faults if you like. I relayed my experience with the 7.62 x 39. If you don't want to believe it. I don't want to convince you.

Simply look at the ballistics charts at ballistics 101. You will see the .243 has close to 25% more energy from the muzzle than the 7.62x39.
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175 yard zero with an epic group

scope center line to bore center line 3"
altitude 59'
temperature 72*F
cross wind 0 mph
humidity 28%
pressure 30.9 in Hg

Winchester 123g FMJ
avg muzzle velocity 2,365 FPS (10 shot)
ballistic coefficient 0.266

this is why i call it a 200 yard gun and why its sighted in at 175 yards (2" low at 200 yards and 1.8" high at 110 yards) pretty flat out to 200 with this set up




10 rounds total fired on this target at 175 yards (took forever but this too was measured out with the tape measure, 525')

this was sight in after a close range zero of 45 yard close/quick zero, measured with a 100' tape (135')

the top right was my 5 shot group, rifle was in a lead sled and used a home made pneumatic device to pull the trigger so that there is zero human error,,, this was impressive as hell and im sure a lot of luck, i haven't even free floated the barrel yet and now im not sure i want to change any thing

im sure there will be some skeptics here as even i would have a hard time believing this one, this was a really cool day and i sight all my rifles this way so that when hunting if there is any error i know it was me and not my rifle
real world testing above

and internet data below

Range - Velocity - Energy - Path
yards - FPS - FT-LBS - Inches
0 - 2365 - 1527 - -3.00
25 - 2285 - 1426 - -1.16
50 - 2207 - 1330 - 0.25
75 - 2130 - 1239 - 1.22
100 - 2054 - 1153 - 1.71
125 - 1981 - 1071 - 1.69
150 - 1908 - 994 - 1.16
175 - 1837 - 922 - 0.00
200 - 1769 - 854 - -1.84
225 - 1702 - 792 - -4.40
250 - 1638 - 733 - -7.70
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IMO, if the rifle has value to you, who cares

what other people think about a waste.

As to the ammo performance, that's

consistent with what I'd experienced.

The American design shoots with tighter

internal toleraces, which begs for the boxer

primed American brass. Wonder what some

mild reloads would do for your accuracy.
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Thay sounds like the fault of the Bullet itself and not the round. You said Premium American made hunting ammo, do you recall the manufacturer and the bullet weight and design?
Oh, I almost forgot, what was the distance?
Great question!!

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Most of the the time I use Winchester soft point ammo. Using the same bullet design with a 30/06 the shoulder on the exit side is trashed. The deer is easy to find because it will be running on it's chin. You can look for faults if you like. I relayed my experience with the 7.62 x 39. If you don't want to believe it. I don't want to convince you.

Simply look at the ballistics charts at ballistics 101. You will see the .243 has close to 25% more energy from the muzzle than the 7.62x39.
The .243 is a vermin round, grossly inadequate for serious hunting of medium game IMHO. I like the set up. He has found a practical rifle that works for him.
Good for you Nathan!! You can feed your family on some serious BBQ all year round and get some trigger time eradicating serious vermin. If you need help, I'll buy the beer for the BBQ.
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The .243 is a vermin round, grossly inadequate for serious hunting of medium game IMHO. I like the set up. He has found a practical rifle that works for him.
Good for you Nathan!! You can feed your family on some serious BBQ all year round and get some trigger time eradicating serious vermin. If you need help, I'll buy the beer for the BBQ.
The .243 produces over 2100lbs of energy at the muzzle and the 7.62x39 over 1500. The 7.62x39 is acceptable for deer and the .243win isn't. Give me a break.

BTW Nathan nice rig
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The .243 produces over 2100lbs of energy at the muzzle and the 7.62x39 over 1500. The 7.62x39 is acceptable for deer and the .243win isn't. Give me a break.

BTW Nathan nice rig
I don't find a single load for the .243 that comes close to what you claim. W/ whitetail type 90..100gr hunting bullets it is between 1750 and 1870fpe at the muzzle. W/ a speer 125gr 7.62x39 has 1600fpe, that is where it maxes out. Down range the .243 does still carry more energy, but the platforms they were tested in are not the same. The bullet for the 7.62x39 is carrying 20% more mass weight and in the platform the OP has he can make very quick follow up shots. I've tracked way to many whitetail shot by .243's to ever trust one.
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i have taken deer with .223, .243, and even a 25.06, i just went for head shots between the eye and ear, never had to look for one doing that.

shot placement, i just hate when a .223 guy thinks his ar will be as effective in the boiler room as my .270, just not going to happen

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