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Vincine 11-26-2011 03:55 PM

5.56 bolt action?
 
I can't seem to find a 5.56 NATO bolt action. I keep being 'offered' .223 rifles instead. This is an email I received from Remington:

>Thank you for visiting Remington Country! We certainly appreciate you taking the time to write in with your question.

Any rifle chambered for .223 Remington can not safely fire 5.56 NATO ammunition. The brass, case dimensions, and pressures are too high/large in 5.56 NATO ammunition for .223 Remington chamberings to handle.

Should you have additional questions, please feel free to contact our Consumer Services Department at 800-243-9700, 9:00 am 5:00 pm, EST, Monday through Friday. <

Does anyone know of a 5.56 NATO bolt action?

hardluk1 11-26-2011 05:07 PM

Why not buy a savage rifle and have the barrel pulled and the chamber recut for a .223 wydle chamber?? That will feed the 5.56 fine and the rifle should no problems with the pressure spike of shooting the nato round in a standard .223 chamber. or 5.56 chamber It just the lead and jump that cause the pressure spike. Company CS guys typicaly don't know poop about there products any how.

JonM 11-26-2011 05:21 PM

the reason you dont find them is because the 5.56 case doesnt lend itself well to accuracy loading. it wouldnt be a popular seller. anyway you can do as suggested by hardluk and have a 223 reamed out to wylde or 556.

fatmidgets 11-26-2011 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vincine
I can't seem to find a 5.56 NATO bolt action. I keep being 'offered' .223 rifles instead. This is an email I received from Remington:

>Thank you for visiting Remington Country! We certainly appreciate you taking the time to write in with your question.

Any rifle chambered for .223 Remington can not safely fire 5.56 NATO ammunition. The brass, case dimensions, and pressures are too high/large in 5.56 NATO ammunition for .223 Remington chamberings to handle.

Should you have additional questions, please feel free to contact our Consumer Services Department at 800-243-9700, 9:00 am – 5:00 pm, EST, Monday through Friday. <

Does anyone know of a 5.56 NATO bolt action?

Mossberg MVP. New gun, it came out recently. 24" barrel, bolt action, mossbergs advanced trigger system (whatever its called), chambered in 5.56x45mm NATO. Absolutely your gun my friend.

HOSSFLY 11-26-2011 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fatmidgets (Post 636244)
Mossberg MVP. New gun, it came out recently. 24" barrel, bolt action, mossbergs advanced trigger system (whatever its called), chambered in 5.56x45mm NATO. Absolutely your gun my friend.

Agree - Dont understand the need but not my bizzness :p

therewolf 11-26-2011 05:39 PM

5.56 is just a military round, is all.

There are very few bolt action rifles in that caliber because it would

be a retro-design.

Have you tried an AR with a 20 to 24 inch barrel for accuracy?

Vincine 11-26-2011 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HOSSFLY (Post 636253)
Agree - Dont understand the need but not my bizzness :p

The point is flexibility of ammunition, .223 OR 5.56.
>Tim Blazek told me they went the 5.56 route so that the abundant supply of military surplus ammo could be used in the MVP. <

I've tried a few AR 15s, they don't quite fit right, although I'm sure I could adjust to it/them.

The Mossberg MVP is very interesting. Thanks.

fatmidgets 11-26-2011 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vincine
The point is flexibility of ammunition, .223 OR 5.56.
>Tim Blazek told me they went the 5.56 route so that the abundant supply of military surplus ammo could be used in the MVP. <

I've tried a few AR 15s, they don't quite fit right, although I'm sure I could adjust to it/them.

The Mossberg MVP is very interesting. Thanks.

Your welcome, and your right. God love the mil-surplus!

303tom 11-27-2011 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vincine (Post 636181)
I can't seem to find a 5.56 NATO bolt action. I keep being 'offered' .223 rifles instead. This is an email I received from Remington:

>Thank you for visiting Remington Country! We certainly appreciate you taking the time to write in with your question.

Any rifle chambered for .223 Remington can not safely fire 5.56 NATO ammunition. The brass, case dimensions, and pressures are too high/large in 5.56 NATO ammunition for .223 Remington chamberings to handle.

Should you have additional questions, please feel free to contact our Consumer Services Department at 800-243-9700, 9:00 am 5:00 pm, EST, Monday through Friday. <

Does anyone know of a 5.56 NATO bolt action?


I shoot 5.56 in my savage .223 all the time............

303tom 11-27-2011 03:25 AM

2 Attachment(s)
Tell me where the difference is......223 on the left, 5.56 on the right.

Axxe55 11-27-2011 03:28 AM

i had to go to the Mossberg website and check that out. very interesting. price isn't bad either. if anyone has gotten one or shot one i would be interested in their input on this rifle.

Vincine 11-27-2011 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 303tom (Post 636707)
Tell me where the difference is......223 on the left, 5.56 on the right.

Well, besides the differences on the diagram in the throat radii, the NATO cartridges have thicker walls for higher durability, which means less space inside for the powder, which results in higher pressure.

tCan 11-27-2011 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Vincine (Post 636774)
Well, besides the differences on the diagram in the throat radii, the NATO cartridges have thicker walls for higher durability, which means less space inside for the powder, which results in higher pressure.

The case thickness is the same.

link: .223 Remington - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Vincine 11-27-2011 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tCan (Post 636804)
The case thickness is the same.

link: .223 Remington - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why you, you . . . MYTHBUSTER!

All my illusions are shattered! Or at least the one about .223/5.56 casing wall thicknesses.
At least if one can trust Wikpedia anyways.

Thanks for the link. That is . . interesting. I know many do shoot 5.56 in .223 rifles. Have any of you who do, ever have damage from it?

tCan 11-27-2011 02:57 PM

Yup. The information I linked you on wiki was sourced from here: 223 Rem + 223 AI Cartridge Guide

Looking at the article, it seems that some but not all NATO brass is thicker with smaller capacity.

JonM 11-27-2011 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tCan (Post 636804)
The case thickness is the same.

link: .223 Remington - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just fyi wikipedia is not a reputable source. When using wiki for info you need a second or third source to confirm. Wiki is a user editable webpage which means anyone can become a "wiki contributor" and print "facts"

tCan 11-27-2011 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JonM (Post 637032)
Just fyi wikipedia is not a reputable source. When using wiki for info you need a second or third source to confirm. Wiki is a user editable webpage which means anyone can become a "wiki contributor" and print "facts"

The information I linked was sourced...

303tom 11-27-2011 07:20 PM

223 Rem + 223 AI Cartridge Guide

hardluk1 11-27-2011 09:38 PM

303tom If you did not read about the difference by looking it up you will never understand the difference.

Vincine I have seen several of Rock River Arms varment rifles with just a trigger change to 3lb shoot factory loads of .223 fed match under 3/4 and home brewed loads under 3/8" at 100 yards. Amassing accurate rilfes. They had RRA wilson arms air guaged 24" barrels. Both had a added adjustable cheek welds added.

PatrickHarrison 11-27-2011 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vincine
I can't seem to find a 5.56 NATO bolt action. I keep being 'offered' .223 rifles instead. This is an email I received from Remington:

>Thank you for visiting Remington Country! We certainly appreciate you taking the time to write in with your question.

Any rifle chambered for .223 Remington can not safely fire 5.56 NATO ammunition. The brass, case dimensions, and pressures are too high/large in 5.56 NATO ammunition for .223 Remington chamberings to handle.

Should you have additional questions, please feel free to contact our Consumer Services Department at 800-243-9700, 9:00 am – 5:00 pm, EST, Monday through Friday. <

Does anyone know of a 5.56 NATO bolt action?

O that is epic bull**** they are both the damn same, ones military one civilain!! I shoot a ar-15 with .223 and 5.56x45 and by God theres not a diffirence in function! O plus my ishapore smle 2A 7.62 eats .308 to along with 7.62x51. Ha that email makes me dislike remington even more.

If ur lookin for a bolt action .223 theres mossberg mvp series excepts ar-15 magazines real good lookin gun havent seen a price tag yet tho

PatrickHarrison 11-27-2011 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by axxe55
i had to go to the Mossberg website and check that out. very interesting. price isn't bad either. if anyone has gotten one or shot one i would be interested in their input on this rifle.

Mister wat to be price on the mvp??? i got the magazine ad in my room n i fell in love with gun instantly n want one if the price is right ;)

Axxe55 11-28-2011 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by PatrickHarrison (Post 637437)
Mister wat to be price on the mvp??? i got the magazine ad in my room n i fell in love with gun instantly n want one if the price is right ;)

patrick, MSRP w/ scope and bipod, $796, w/o $649. i would probably buy without so i could put what i want on it, plus i didn't see any brand name mentioned on the scope maker. i like that it uses the AR15 mags, i have many of those!

303tom 11-28-2011 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardluk1 (Post 637375)
303tom If you did not read about the difference by looking it up you will never understand the difference.

Vincine I have seen several of Rock River Arms varment rifles with just a trigger change to 3lb shoot factory loads of .223 fed match under 3/4 and home brewed loads under 3/8" at 100 yards. Amassing accurate rilfes. They had RRA wilson arms air guaged 24" barrels. Both had a added adjustable cheek welds added.

So what are these ? .223 or 5.56x45......

Federal Premium - Rifle Ballistics

fatmidgets 11-28-2011 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatrickHarrison

O that is epic bull**** they are both the damn same, ones military one civilain!! I shoot a ar-15 with .223 and 5.56x45 and by God theres not a diffirence in function! O plus my ishapore smle 2A 7.62 eats .308 to along with 7.62x51. Ha that email makes me dislike remington even more.

If ur lookin for a bolt action .223 theres mossberg mvp series excepts ar-15 magazines real good lookin gun havent seen a price tag yet tho

Msrp was around $650. $800 though for scope and bipod

PatrickHarrison 11-29-2011 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by axxe55

patrick, MSRP w/ scope and bipod, $796, w/o $649. i would probably buy without so i could put what i want on it, plus i didn't see any brand name mentioned on the scope maker. i like that it uses the AR15 mags, i have many of those!

Mhm kinda high priced right now and i dont know if there worth it yet. Id go plain jane first off for same reason not price. If i ever get a brake from money runnin every where ill save up for one tho, theres alot of rifles i want but this ones top on my list

hardluk1 11-29-2011 12:52 PM

303tom The factory loads were 5.56 fed match loads for the 3/4" groups and the rifles are rock river arms varment 24" wison arms barrel with 1-8 twist that use a .223 wylde chamber. The guys shooting them did use .223 federal brass for the hand loads. I know that one guys prefered long range bullet was a berger vld 80gr but he was working with some 74gr something at the time. I should re=read more often. The wylde chamber gives you some freedom to load longer than the .223 chamber. I do not understand the difference enought to explane any better .


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