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Goomba 11-23-2009 01:37 AM

5.45 or 22LR AR-15 Upper?
I've been thinking about getting a seperat upper for my AR. to save some money in training. but the problem I'm running across is the cost of an upper + mags.

the cheapest I've seen a spikes 22LR is over $600. and the cheapest 5.45 is an oly arm at midway for $545

I'm on a pretty tight budget, so I cant just drop the money, I gotta save up.

I'm feeling a bit partial to the 5.45, its centerfire and the surplus ammo is priced better than current .223/5.56. but apparently some of it is corrosive. so If I go this route I have to be careful to not get corrosive ammo/ or clean the rifle right after shooting it.

I've thought about the 22LR conversion kits, but I'd like to have the accuracy that comes with a dedicated upper. and then there is the fact that it is 22LR and not a centerfire.

does anybody have any ideas and/or recommendations?


Yunus 11-23-2009 01:58 AM

If your mainly shooting 100 yards or less. I would go .22 because of the drastic ammo savings.

canebrake 11-23-2009 02:05 AM

For that price why not get a dedicated AR? Smith & Wesson Rifles/Shotguns M&P 15-22 Tactical .22 Long Rifle 16 Inch Barrel 6-Posi

The Smith & Wesson M&P 15 22 has a poly (tupperware) frame.

Tactical Defense Solutions LLC: UMAREX USA COLT M4 OPS AR-15 .22 LR in PrestoMart

The UMAREX USA COLT M4 OPS AR-15 .22 LR is a German made, full metal body with a threaded muzzle. (Muzzle Thread: M8x.75 )

Ruger SR-22 Rifle .22LR, Semi Auto Rif;e, 16" Barrel

American-Made, all-aluminum chassis that is custom manufactured to Ruger specs by Nordic Components, Inc.

All can be had for pretty much what you are paying for a upper.

kenhesr 11-29-2009 01:30 PM

Hi Goomba, IMHO if you are wanting to train cheaply with an AR platform, like Yunus says, .22LR is certainly the route to go. canebrake nailed it too, the S&W M&P 15-22 would be my first choice over a dedicated .22LR upper. You get the WHOLE rifle for under $500.00 and from what I've been reading, they are Outstanding!

Your thoughts on the 5.45x39 upper are correct, but If you only want to shoot non-corrosive, or don't already have a large stash of cheap surplus ammo, you won't save much over the cost of 5.56. In my area the corrosive surplus is already 20 cents per rd. by the box - Don't get me wrong, I really like mine, but we are talking CHEAP training here and I am feeding them at a dime per pop which is still not very cheap compared to the .22LR.

I agree 100% on .22 conversion kits, I have the M-261 and have no complaints, but I would much rather use my .22LR CZ-22 dedicated upper, far more accurate. The 9mm upper is lots of fun too, but not much good past 150 yds. and 9mm is kinda pricey.

I personally have not tried the S&W M&P 15-22 yet, I'll let ya know after christmas, that is my present from the wife this year, she just don't know it yet!! :D Good luck in your choice! and sorry about the old gratuitous pictures, I need to take some new ones!! Ken

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