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Old 08-17-2014, 12:54 AM   #11
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I had a Springfield Armory M1A, glass-bedded by the factory; no scope; the sling I had was OD and seemed to be made of a heavy cloth, and I used 20-rd mags. With cheapo USA "ball" (actual bullet was BT) ammo, from a standing position (but leaning against a telephone pole) I put 20 rds through a hole I could cover with a quarter -- in under 25 seconds, at 105 yards. It was a wonderful, delightful gun. I parted with it when a guy offered me half again what I had in it after only 6 months; for my having so done, I could now kick myself!

I had an old bolt-action, single-shot .22 rifle (it would shoot rimfire shorts, longs and long-rifles; I preferred the latter, and generally bought the fastest round I could get because practical ranges were so short and ammo was so cheap). A friend and I were plinking one day and decided to have a contest for extreme-range shots. The targets on which I won were 4 glass bottles(which I now discourage anyone from shooting, as it's an environmental menace to the innocent) buried in the side of a sand hill several hundred yards distant; only the necks of the bottles were exposed, as I didn't want to be credited with "mere luck." The sun shining on the exposed rims made bright little arcs from where I had taken my shooting position; I aimed high, but the first shot fell short and left (landed about 220-230 degrees and 150 ft from the first rim). My second shot landed about 240-250 degrees and 50-60 ft from the first rim; my third shot landed about a foot to the left of the first rim, and on the same level as the target. Having thus determined where in the sky I needed to point my barrel, the next three shots passed through the necks of successive target bottles, so I didn't get to see the puff of sand; I got my breathing a little off on the last shot; it landed slightly right, just outside the rim of the fourth bottle, but close enough that it broke the rim and the side out of that bottle. The bottoms were shattered from the first three bottles. I don't know the exact range of those shots, but I was aiming upwards at nearly 45 degrees, and the targets were slightly below my elevation.

If you take your time and don't doubt yourself, you can make shots that will astound your friends.

Probably the most distant shot I took with the .308 was in the 325-yard range (+ or - maybe 15 yards): anywhere but at a range devoted to that purpose, the opportunity to make long shots is increasingly diminishing. I tried the "just shoot" lifestyle for a while -- not really aiming at anything, but burning through a bunch of ammo; I didn't have fun, and I spent an ungodly amount of dough. Nowadays, I've adopted the philosophy I had in high school: don't shoot at anything you don't intend to hit; consequently, I take a lot fewer shots than most others -- but I never miss, either.

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I had a Springfield Armory M1A, glass-bedded by the factory; no scope; the sling I had was OD and seemed to be made of a heavy cloth, and I used 20-rd mags. With cheapo USA "ball" (actual bullet was BT) ammo, from a standing position (but leaning against a telephone pole) I put 20 rds through a hole I could cover with a quarter -- in under 25 seconds, at 105 yards.

It was a wonderful, delightful gun, but I parted with it when a guy offered me half again what I had in it after only 6 months; for my having so done, I could now kick myself!

I had an old bolt-action, single-shot .22 rifle (it would shoot rimfire shorts, longs and long-rifles; I preferred the latter, and generally bought the fastest round I could get because practical ranges were so short and ammo was so cheap). A friend and I were plinking one day and decided to have a contest for extreme-range shots.

The targets on which I won were 4 glass bottles(which I now discourage anyone from shooting, as it's an environmental menace to the innocent) buried in the side of a sand hill several hundred yards distant; only the necks of the bottles were exposed, as I didn't want to be credited with "mere luck."

The sun shining on the exposed rims made bright little arcs from where I had taken my shooting position; I aimed high, but the first shot fell short and left (landed about 220-230 degrees and 150 ft from the first rim). My second shot landed about 240-250 degrees and 50-60 ft from the first rim; my third shot landed about a foot to the left of the first rim, and on the same level as the target.

Having thus determined where in the sky I needed to point my barrel, the next three shots passed through the necks of successive target bottles, so I didn't get to see the puff of sand; I got my breathing a little off on the last shot; it landed slightly right, just outside the rim of the fourth bottle, but close enough that it broke the rim and the side out of that bottle. The bottoms were shattered from the first three bottles. I don't know the exact range of those shots, but I was aiming upwards at nearly 45 degrees, and the targets were slightly below my elevation.

If you take your time and don't doubt yourself, you can make shots that will astound your friends.

Probably the most distant shot I took with the .308 was in the 325-yard range (+ or - maybe 15 yards): anywhere but at a range devoted to that purpose, the opportunity to make long shots is increasingly diminishing. I tried the "just shoot" lifestyle for a while -- not really aiming at anything, but burning through a bunch of ammo; I didn't have fun, and I spent an ungodly amount of dough. Nowadays, I've adopted the philosophy I had in high school: don't shoot at anything you don't intend to hit; consequently, I take a lot fewer shots than most others -- but I never miss, either.

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338 Lapua, 300 winmag, and 308 are what I have experience with in a long distance "combat" mission and 338 by far is one of the best rounds I have ever used, but for the most part the snipers I have met mostly used the 300 winmag and the other SDM's and myself all used souped up M-14's at the time (2003-2004) to which they have now added more mods and call the M21. The one I used I had made accurate shots out to around 875 meters with.

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just a fyi original posting was 2009. 5 years ago. the op has 46 posts so prolly not around anymore.

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lol someone is resurrecting the dead here!

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Thanks for that Jon! Unfortunately, everyone is now reading it as a resurrected post!

For those reading this currently, as with any firearm that is highly specialized in function, you have to ask yourself if it will hang on the wall to talk about or if it will be shot. If you plan to actually use the weapon, you will need a considerable amount of ammo, and the easier it is to find and purchase, the better. Therefore, neither one of these is a good shooter for me. Anything in .50 BMG will cover the same range, can be stoked with all civilian and many surplus military rounds which are much cheaper and more available than specialty ammo, and cost 1/2 to 2/3 less than a specialty weapon. The BORS adds computer accuracy to any Barrett and handheld computers are available for other weapons systems, but the ability to put 100's of affordable rounds down range is what will turn you from a long-range owner to a long-range shooter!

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OP: the .375 CheyTac has the highest ballistic coefficient of any round on record. Desert Tactical Arms made consistent hits at 3,080 yards with their HTI platform chambered in this caliber. It has as much energy at 2,500 yards as the .357 mag has at the muzzle. It shoots flat and kicks little. If you're looking for the ultimate ultra-long-range anti-personnel cartridge, look no further.

http://www.dtacomlink.com/dta-dtm-3080-yards-with-hti-375-cheytac/

Imagine what they could do if they combined it with the TrackingPoint system and self-stabilizing bullets. 2-mile gun? Undoubtedly.

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Thanks for that Jon! Unfortunately, everyone is now reading it as a resurrected post!

... the ability to put 100's of affordable rounds down range is what will turn you from a long-range owner to a long-range shooter!

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