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Old 07-12-2008, 12:46 AM   #61
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Yeah, you know, I am going to go with +1 as well. That was one of the oddest, and yet strangely meaningful, examples on the subject I have ever seen....

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LMAO !!

What can I say guys I grew up around to many Old guys that explained things like this , use to drive me crazy as a kid then I grew up and found I often had to explain things "usually job related" to other guys who often just didn't get the the direct explanation so I started doing the same thing .

You would be amazed at how many College kids just don't get things when given to them straight out so you have to come up with a simile for them to understand .
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Old 07-13-2008, 04:03 AM   #62
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I have several each .308 and .30-06 rifles. The .308 and its ammunition have been improved with and tinkered with for nearly 50 years because it is a standard military caliber and for little other reason. Of course the military would choose a sniper rifle in .308/7.62mm.

For well over 50 years I have been tinkering with the .30-06. By carefully selecting components I can get the .30-06 and a 168 or 175 grain match bullet up to 3,000 fps. You cannot come near that with the .308 and neither can I.

Years ago I came into many thousands of rounds of .30 caliber Match and 7.62mm M118 Match ammunition. I also have a few thousand rounds of 7.62mm M852 Match: I have been told that this ammo is no longer used by US snipers. That's a shame, if true. It is the best of the military 7.62mm ammo.

I have had the pleasure to try accurized Remington 700 rifles side by side using service ammunition and identical scopes at ranges up to 750 yards. The .30-06 is the long range winner every time.

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Old 07-13-2008, 07:01 AM   #63
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Default I will solve this for you!!!

Buy your self a Remington 700 Sendero in 300 Ultra Mag, They offer power level ammo 1-3 One level is .308 level two is 30-06 and level three is 300 ultramag All from the same case it is perfect for the guy just getting started that dose not reload as of yet, you have the best of all three worlds to play with, now put a nice Leupold on top and a set of Harris bipods underneath it, Get a good wind meter and a good spoting scope along with a good range finder and you are set to see if this is your thing or not for around 2,200 to 2,500 not including ammo. If you find you wan't to persue this hobby then move on to spend the big bucks.
Remember to purchace ammo by the case to get the same lot numbers so you keep everything consistant.
Truth be known the .308 runs out of ass at around 700-800 yards the 30-06 is still in the ball park at 1,000 yards and the 300 Ultra Mag will stop a cement truck at better than a 1,000 yards, just depends on your perticular application.
To become a great 1,000 plus yard shooter requires thousands of houres and tons of money and in my case my first wife!!! she just didn't understand. and a love of math, that and alond with a stedy hand good breathing you should start seeing improvement each visit to the range, trust me if you are not patient this is not what you should be setting your sites on.
I wish you the best of luck, If I can be of any ferther help please feel free to message me.

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.30-06 take any animal in north america with the right load and shot placement

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.30-06 take any animal in north america with the right load and shot placement

And so will a 308 win.
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And so will a 308 win.
and a 270 , and a 280 Remington , 7x57 Mauser , 7mm mag , 6.5 Swede , 7mm08 , 358 winchester etc. etc. etc. but you get the idea , I hope .
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