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Old 07-11-2008, 01:05 AM   #51
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We agree again my friend. Given the choice, I would prefer to field the .30-06 over the .308 - and this from a guy who built a custom .308 rig.... *D'oh*

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I hear that loud & clear JD - I have two .308 rifles and no 30-06! Someday soon I hope to acquire a Garrand in NM config. Although the .308 has displaced the 30-06 in many competitions including Camp Perry, no cartridge that has held it's own for that long will ever be obsolete in my book! Hell, I still shoot .58 cal front-stuffers!
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I hear that loud & clear JD - I have two .308 rifles and no 30-06! Someday soon I hope to acquire a Garrand in NM config. Although the .308 has displaced the 30-06 in many competitions including Camp Perry.
No question my friend, the .308 is here to stay, at least for now. The military has been learning their lesson in the big sandbox though. We haven't shipped a .308 to a military unit in over 2 years. We HAVE been working on .338 Lapua's and .50's though, so there is hope for the brass stroking the checks after all.

You can't argue with the performance of the true .30 caliber round handed down from the creator himself. Carlos and Chuck knew it's abilities, and that's why they were able to accomplish the things they did. Well, that, and a set of balls that go "clank" when they walked.

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No question my friend, the .308 is here to stay, at least for now. The military has been learning their lesson in the big sandbox though. We haven't shipped a .308 to a military unit in over 2 years. We HAVE been working on .338 Lapua's and .50's though, so there is hope for the brass stroking the checks after all.

You can't argue with the performance of the true .30 caliber round handed down from the creator himself. Carlos and Chuck knew it's abilities, and that's why they were able to accomplish the things they did. Well, that, and a set of balls that go "clank" when they walked.

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They are eating up M14s as fast as they can be made though.
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They are eating up M14s as fast as they can be made though.
That's because that rifle works REALLY well in adverse conditions....

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The 308 in my book wins hands down over the 30-06. The 308 is a inhearrently more accurate round and offers lighter rifles and stiffer actions as you can use a short action. The 308 has been winning matches since it came to the masses it as also been killing animals and people under 1000 yards for just as long.

Police snipers and military snipers operate in differnet ways. A police sniper may never see a shot over 100 to 200 yards. Where as the military sniper may very well never see a shot at less that 500 yards. Most Swat teams are in what enviroment? Urban where a 1000 yard shot is not even close to being likely. With powders and bullets on the market today you can creat a 1000 yard shooter in either 308 or 30-06. The 308 due to its design is a more efficent round than the 30-06.

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If I needed a gun for big game food acquistion or protection in bear country (grizzly) I would prefer the 220 gr. loading of the 30-06 in the scoped1903 Sprgfld. platform.

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The 30 caliber family of rounds honestly needs to be thought of in the same terms as home ladders .

Most people own say a small 2-3 rung or step "Step stool" for doing things like reaching into the highest cabinates in the home and decorating the family Xmas tree and never purchase anything else just as a 30-30 to this day will fill perhaps the needs of 70% of Deer , Hog and Bear hunters needs .

Then we have those that need to reach a little farther then they would buy say a 300 Savage or a 6 or 8 ft ladder which will do for those who hang decorations on the exterior of the house and small trees or in rifle terms need to reach out to 250-350 yards for a shot . Now we also have the new Marlin 308 express as an option in this catagory .

Then we have those hardy folks who clean out their own gutters and trim back medium size trees and shoot out to 500 yards they get a 308 and a 12 ft ladder but when the same person makes a living at such things he goes with a 16 ft ladder and a 30-06 because he just never knows when he will run into an older and taller building and a slightly longer shot .

Have a two story home or need to make 600 yard shots on a regular basis well then you want a 24 ft + ladder and a 300 Winchester magnum .

By time you get into the big Weatherby magnums you're basically talking about the kind of equipment the fire department uses .

The 308 is no more a 30-06 than a 10 ft ladder is a 12 ft one it's close but sometimes close just don't get the job done .

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+1 and good analogy If I ever need a detached retina I'll buy a Weatherby Magnum...

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Yeah, you know, I am going to go with +1 as well. That was one of the oddest, and yet strangely meaningful, examples on the subject I have ever seen....

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Not to mention the fact that the recent laws protecting firearms manufacturers from bogus lawsuits MUST have some roll-over effect for the ladder companies!

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