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Old 11-26-2011, 06:09 AM   #11
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The .308 will drop any big game in North America. To hedge your bet use bullets with higher expansion for the smaller animals, i.e. deer and antelope. Heavier bullets designed for better penetration for the larger animals like elk. Make sure to re-zero with each different load, as they can vary quite a bit.
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Old 11-26-2011, 12:30 PM   #12
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IIRC, perhaps 30.06 is the only caliber which has taken more

Buck and Elk than .308.
I daresay the 44-40 and 30-30 have taken more than the 06 and .308 combined.
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I daresay the 44-40 and 30-30 have taken more than the 06 and .308 combined.
White-tail yes, but not Elk & or Moose......
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White-tail yes, but not Elk & or Moose......
Why not
You think everbody waited till the 308 was produced to shoot elk & moose
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You think everbody waited till the 308 was produced to shoot elk & moose
i agree, many make these comparisons based on the last 100 years of firearms and cartridges. what was used before the 30-06 or the 308 came into being? people still hunted elk and other game with what ever was available to them. i'm sure elk and buffalo and bear were also killed with blackpowder muzzleloaders before the even the 44-40, the 45-70 or even the 30-30 came to be too. so for people to say on cartridge type has killed more than another, it needs to be put into proper context to make a valid point.
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White-tail yes, but not Elk & or Moose......
The 30/30 has also killed as many elk an moose as any other. Is it to small of a round for elk an moose no it isnt period. Keep the shots with in real world range it will kill them like any other round.
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YES, I DID SAY IIRC, and perhaps.

The point is .308 is a valid caliber for the OP's

OH CRAP! Where'd the OP go??
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Old 11-27-2011, 01:56 PM   #18
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The 308 will kill any thing it is very close to a 30-06 balisticly.In northern Idaho where I grew up many people use a 308 for deer ,elk,bear and moose.They will drop a elk out at 500 yards just like a 30-06.They are accurate at further ranges but your pushing it shooting elk past 500 yards. I am not saying they wont kill a elk at say 700 yards. But your better off to move up to a magnum for the longer ranges and have a very good quality scope and lots of practice shooting. A elk at 700 yards to the naked eye is smaller than a match head.
As far as hunting elk with a 30-30 My grandpa would not use any thing else.He brought home many many elk over his life time. My ex wife used a 30-30 for brush hunting with me and they work well for shots out to 200 yards.
The 30-06 and 308 are do all calibers. There is a lot of load data and choice in bullet weights and styles if you reload and they can both be made to be more efficient for specific hunting or shooting needs.
But to say walk into a walmart to buy a big game rifle to hunt deer and elk or bear and moose. I would tell any one a 30-06 or 308 is a very good choice and of course buying factory ammo shooting at standard velocities there are no calibers that are as versitile.
I did some reading about old timers and there muzzle loaders shooting bear. Many of them died by pissed off bears. So the practice of hunting bear with a muzzle loader was usualy done by more than one shooter.
I havent read any thing about people shooting griz bear with a 30-30 but I am sure its been done.It is illegal to hunt griz in the lower 48 so I imagnine some one from alaska could tell a few tales there. But I dont feel any one would from any where would recomend a 30-30 for griz.Even back in the day the 45-70 was around for such things.But I do know of many black bear taken with a 30-30 at close range by friends and relatives.
My experiences on larger game like elk is to use the heaviest bullet you can and expanding.
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If you want be typical the bow and arrow killed deer before gin
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The .308 w/ a 165gr partition at 2700fps will have approx. 1578fpe at 300 yards, at 500 yards it is just over 1050fpe, not enough for an ethical kill on Elk.
With a 150 yard zero the bullet drops 58" or 11.1MOA. If Your scope has 1/4" adjustment, that is 44 clicks. At 300 yards bullet drop is 12", so a high shoulder/ back placement will put it in the boiler maker without touching the scope. You don't need long range for any game w/ the exception of antelope or goats. My 1st Elk, and my 1st Mule deer were taken w/ a 12ga slug gun in Colorado at less then 50 yards w/ slugs. The .308 is a great round for any game in the lower 48. 300 yards is a very respectable shot.
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