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Old 07-06-2013, 09:53 PM   #41
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Well I've all way been someone who bows to true expertise and in this case the USAMU chooses the M24 in 7.62x54 (.308win). Also the m21 sniper version of the M14 is the same calibre. But I can hit an 8" round gong at 300 yds with my trusty M1 Garand pretty consistently. No I don't claim to be the best shot on the planet but if I really had to make the shot I could, but I've got a .308 bolt gun with optics 3-9x50 that it's difficult to make that cold bore shot with. After four or five rounds I can own it. Go figure just saying.
The NATO 308 is actually a 7.62x51. The x54 is what's used by the mosin-nagants and psl type rifles. Nice shootin btw
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Carlos Hathcock used the 30/06 to great effect out to 700yds plus and it's an older round than .308 so do your sniper teams have a choice of personnel rifles/calibre to snipe with or it's "a what your issued with" type thing?

If I was going to go on a "attitude adjustment" mission and I had a choice of rifles besides the .50 BMG I'd be opting for the 30/06 personally with something like a 180gn projectile for the stretch out work.

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Carlos Hathcock used the 30/06 to great effect out to 700yds plus and it's an older round than .308 so do your sniper teams have a choice of personnel rifles/calibre to snipe with or it's "a what your issued with" type thing?

If I was going to go on a "attitude adjustment" mission and I had a choice of rifles besides the .50 BMG I'd be opting for the 30/06 personally with something like a 180gn projectile for the stretch out work.

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with the military, i would think they would go with a firearms that meets the mission requirements. they have many different calibers and firearms in differnet platforms. IMO, they probably go with what best matches the job at hand. many snipers are cross-trained in many different firearms, so they are not just limited to one type of firearm.

IIRC, reading his biography he used both the 30-06 and the 308 on different tours to VietNam. he also started with a Winchester M70 in 30-06 and also used a Remington M700 in 30-06 and 308.
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Like hairbear1 said, shy of the .50 BMG, most U.S. military and SWAT snipers are issued .308 Win. rifles. Why argue with success?

I own both, I shoot both, but the .308 with it's smaller platform & ballistic profile, within 300yds. is my 1st choice in the Eastern U.S.

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Like hairbear1 said, shy of the .50 BMG, most U.S. military and SWAT snipers are issued .308 Win. rifles. Why argue with success?

I own both, I shoot both, but the .308 with it's smaller platform & ballistic profile, within 300yds. is my 1st choice in the Eastern U.S.
they also use the 338 Lapua Mag and not 100% sure whether they still do, but were also using the 300 Win. Mag.
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Military snipers are issued 7.62x51 (aka 308) because that is the general purpose rifle cartridge, not specifically designed for long ranged sniping. Many sniper rifles now are 300 Win Mag and 338 Lapua which are much better suited to that role. I am no 308 hater, in fact it is one of my favorite "all around" cartridges but it does not make my top 10 when shots over 500 yards enter the equation. 270 WSM, 7mm Rem Mag, 300 Mags, and 6.5mm wildcats all make the 308 look silly in a hefty cross wind. There is not enough difference between a 308 and 30-06 up to 168gr to raise much fuss over, anything over that and the old 06 is a clear winner, but in reality there is very little in the lower 48 you need a bullet over 168gr for with modern bonded and mono metal bullets.

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Military snipers are issued 7.62x51 (aka 308) because that is the general purpose rifle cartridge, not specifically designed for long ranged sniping. Many sniper rifles now are 300 Win Mag and 338 Lapua which are much better suited to that role. I am no 308 hater, in fact it is one of my favorite "all around" cartridges but it does not make my top 10 when shots over 500 yards enter the equation. 270 WSM, 7mm Rem Mag, 300 Mags, and 6.5mm wildcats all make the 308 look silly in a hefty cross wind. There is not enough difference between a 308 and 30-06 up to 168gr to raise much fuss over, anything over that and the old 06 is a clear winner, but in reality there is very little in the lower 48 you need a bullet over 168gr for with modern bonded and mono metal bullets.
i seriously doubt the military even stocks any 30-06 ammo anymore either. but they do stockpile a bunch of 308 ammo. a lot of what they use is based on logistics. if they have no stocks of 30-06 ammo, then they probably are not going to have any firearms in 30-06 either. though most snipers using a 308 rifle use purpose made ammo for their rifles, they can still use common 308 ammo if needed. the 300 Win. Mag and the 338 LM are more mission specific rifles and they probably don't stock near the amount of ammo for them as they do 308 ammo.
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The .308 is just .30-06 lite, and the .270 is just .30-06 with a smaller bullet, as is the .25-06 & the .35 Whelen is a 06 with a big arse bullet on it !..............

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