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Old 07-04-2013, 11:51 AM   #31
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It's a good cartridge, it's easier to find and it has less recoil than a 308.
Not true! Rifle design ie stock, comes into play allot when talking about felt recoil. The .270 has more felt recoil when using an eqaul weight bullet in the same model rifle compared to .308. .30-06 is another story. Nothing is eqaul when it comes to ammo. My buddy hunts with a Savage 110 Seirra lite in .270, I shoot one in 7mm Rem Mag. Because I handload w/ slower burning powder, my rifle actually has less felt recoil. His is a smack because of the powder used by Winchester, while mine is a push.

Buying a cheap hunting rifle for long range hunting or target shooting is not a wise choice. Both of the rifles you have mentioned seem to do fine w/ there designed task, hunting. But the range really matters. So what is the intended purpose of this rifle again??
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A 130gr 270 Win has nearly identical recoil to a 150gr 308, the 270 shoots a bit flatter and further, the 308 delivers the same power in a more compact rifle and hits with a larger caliber bullet. There is no right or wrong choice between those two if you are talking deer hunting, out west I liked the 270 more, now that I am hunting in the brush here in the southeast I have opted for the 308 more though I still use my 270 from time to time.
The only cartridges I consider superior to the 308/270 for deer hunting in general are the 6.5x55, 7x57 and their modern ballistic twins (260 Rem, 6.5 Creedmore, and 7mm-08) They don't do anything the 308/270 won't but they work just as well with less recoil. My 6.5x55 sees more action then all my other rifles combined but now that I have my 7mm-08 dialed in it might give the old Swede a run for it's money. So many rifles so little time.

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Here in Australia the .270,.308 and 30/06 are very popular calibres more so the .270 and .308 but the 30/06 still features well.

I've shot all 3 and own a .270 and 30/06AI and to be honest there's no real difference in performance with the 3 of them in perceived recoil and performance up to a certain weight where the 30/06 just shines on the other 2.

Now with my 30/06AI which is built on M98 action and a B&C fibreglass stock and M8 Compact 6x and loaded with 165gn Game Kings which weighs in around 7lbs approximately I originally had built for lugging around the mountainous river country around here chasing goats and pigs is a pleasure to carry and shoot providing you don't want to fire 5-6 shots quickly as it kills at both ends and as for benching after 10 shots forget it BUT it is a very effective cartridge in mountain country and on the longer shots on pigs in our Western flat country areas.

The .270 is a classic cartridge and can hold it's own here on game up to the size of camels and so does the .308 but for me the 30/06 does everything I want..............it's personnel thing that every hunter has get hold of a gun in each calibre have a couple of shots and then YOU decide what you like it's your money.
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IMO, a lot of it boils down to persoanl preference and the intended game and what weight of bullets needed for that game. 270 is one fine caliber too and another one i own.

i have two older Remington M700's that are about a year apart in age, the 270 is a 1968 model and the 30-06 is a 1969 model. both have the same walnut stocks, same recoil pads and weigh in about the same weight. recoil wise, the 270 feels like it recoils harder for some reason. in no way is this a scientific comparison, just what it feels like to my shoulder. i have had many 270's in the past and most of them had some stiff recoil to them.
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Not true! Rifle design ie stock, comes into play allot when talking about felt recoil. The .270 has more felt recoil when using an eqaul weight bullet in the same model rifle compared to .308. .30-06 is another story. Nothing is eqaul when it comes to ammo. My buddy hunts with a Savage 110 Seirra lite in .270, I shoot one in 7mm Rem Mag. Because I handload w/ slower burning powder, my rifle actually has less felt recoil. His is a smack because of the powder used by Winchester, while mine is a push.

Buying a cheap hunting rifle for long range hunting or target shooting is not a wise choice. Both of the rifles you have mentioned seem to do fine w/ there designed task, hunting. But the range really matters. So what is the intended purpose of this rifle again??
I'm sorry, I was just speaking from personal experience with rifles that I have shot. I found the 270 quite enjoyable.
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Not true! Rifle design ie stock, comes into play allot when talking about felt recoil. The .270 has more felt recoil when using an eqaul weight bullet in the same model rifle compared to .308. .30-06 is another story. Nothing is eqaul when it comes to ammo. My buddy hunts with a Savage 110 Seirra lite in .270, I shoot one in 7mm Rem Mag. Because I handload w/ slower burning powder, my rifle actually has less felt recoil. His is a smack because of the powder used by Winchester, while mine is a push.

Buying a cheap hunting rifle for long range hunting or target shooting is not a wise choice. Both of the rifles you have mentioned seem to do fine w/ there designed task, hunting. But the range really matters. So what is the intended purpose of this rifle again??
Also, I'm not looking for a long range rifle really. My original question was which had better ballistics and why is 308 considered a long range caliber if the 30-06 was bigger?

The cheap hunting rifle is just for that, hunting and 100-300yd moa shooting.
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The 308 is considered a long range cartridge because snipers use it, not by their choice but because that is what they were issued. In my experience the 30-06 is every bit as accurate as a 308 and drives a heavier bullet faster/flatter/further and hence is every bit as much a long ranged cartridge if not more so. It is often claimed that the 308 can be pushed just as fast as the 06, I have to disagree, I have always run into pressure before catching up with what my 06 does with it's published loads, and they are both 22" barrels.
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The 308 is considered a long range cartridge because snipers use it, not by their choice but because that is what they were issued. In my experience the 30-06 is every bit as accurate as a 308 and drives a heavier bullet faster/flatter/further and hence is every bit as much a long ranged cartridge if not more so. It is often claimed that the 308 can be pushed just as fast as the 06, I have to disagree, I have always run into pressure before catching up with what my 06 does with it's published loads, and they are both 22" barrels.
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if your hunting large game 180 gr core lokt 30/06 is your best bet it will take down any large game in north America.
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I don't want another caliber debate, but which is accurate further out? What are the other ballistic differences?
Well I've all way been someone who bows to true expertise and in this case the USAMU chooses the M24 in 7.62x54 (.308win). Also the m21 sniper version of the M14 is the same calibre. But I can hit an 8" round gong at 300 yds with my trusty M1 Garand pretty consistently. No I don't claim to be the best shot on the planet but if I really had to make the shot I could, but I've got a .308 bolt gun with optics 3-9x50 that it's difficult to make that cold bore shot with. After four or five rounds I can own it. Go figure just saying.
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