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Old 07-03-2013, 10:27 PM   #21
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I've been thinking istime forsomething newand id love to have a garand but if the op is like me he can't afford to drop that kind of cash... what are some other options that won't cost an arm and a leg
Trade a gun in on one.

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I hear great things about the Marlin XL7 series, I would personally start there.
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Trade a gun in on one.

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I hear great things about the Marlin XL7 series, I would personally start there.
the Marlin X7 series is a wonderful rifle. IMO, and strictly an opinion based om my experiances with entry level rilfes. the Savage Axis is a good option, decently accurate, well made and well priced. the Stevens 200, another good option, not a bad rifle by any means, but usually priced a little higher, and seems well made and decently accurate. the Mossberg ATR100 in 30-06! good rifle for hunting but not target shooting. is very accurate, well made, but suffers in the recoil department. hits like the Hammer of Thor! decently priced, and for hunting a good option. the Remington M770, is pure junk IMO when comparing rifles in the same price range. if it were priced as low as some Mosin Nagants were, it might, might be a viable option!

another option for a bolt action rifle in 30-06, is to hit the gun stores and pawn shops. with the fact that just about everybody has made a rifle in 30-06 for decades, they usually are pretty plentiful.

i started a thread in the General Rifle section called Bolt Action Rifles. we are covering suggestions for improving accuracy, tips for bolt actions and just posting pictures and dicussing them in general. a new member here Anna_Purna is refinishing her first rifle stock on a used rifle she bought. lots of good information is being shared on that thread. please check it out.
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if you really are one a tight budget snag a mosin 91-30 its the same class as a 30-06 ammo is pretty easy to get and many companies make modern hunting softpoints for it. my local walmart stocks prvi and winchester 7.62x54r
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Hillbilly is pretty much spot on. the 30-06 has just a little more muzzle velocity than the 308, but it's not a huge difference, usually about 100-150 fps difference when using the same bullet weights.

now for a hunter, when hunting game that would require larger weight bullets like 180-220 grs. the 30-06 due to it's longer case has a little more advantage.

and yes the recoil isa bit gentler with the 308! personally i enjoy both and own both, but if i were to have to make a choice and only have one of them, it would be a very hard choice and i do believe in most cases i would choose to go with the 30-06. IMO, it has just a little more versatility, not a huge amount, but a little. the 30-06 would allow you to stretch your distances just a little further.
With the advent of quality mono bullets, the .308 can come close w/ a lighter weight bullet. But, the .30-06 w/ the same Mono metal bullet can be a true force to be reconed with. I shoot 8x57, not 7.62x63, With a 160 or 180gr Barnes TSX or TTSX either is up to antything a 200gr cup and core is.

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As far as a hunting rifle goes, I will always choose 30-06 over 308. I do prefer the 308 in my 'tactical' rifles though because of the case length.
The weight difference between a .30-06 and .308 both loaded w/ the same bullet is very slight. I'm not sure how a cartridge that has less range wins in the tactical area. It is the go to these days.



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Rate of twist for .308 is right for bullets about 168 or less. A 180 will not stabilize as well.
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Now that you have your mind set on caliber, may I suggest the rifle?

M1 Garand, 'The greatest battle implement ever devised' in 30-06.

I'm not sure what your intended purpose is for the rifle, but I still say M1

M2 ball used a 150gr bullet traveling at 2700fps mv. That is a very under powered .30-06. The reason was that the rifle was designed for 10 rounds of .276 Pederson. Big Mac squished that and it was worked up w/ an under powered .30-06 round.

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if you really are one a tight budget snag a mosin 91-30 its the same class as a 30-06 ammo is pretty easy to get and many companies make modern hunting softpoints for it. my local walmart stocks prvi and winchester 7.62x54r
Now you are getting nasty!!
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Either caliber will get done most any practical job. I shoot an '06, but don't own a .308. What I have always been curious about it why competitive shooters take the .308 hands down over the '06. I have to assume it has some accuracy advantage over the '06.

Since I can't hit a barn from the inside with a rifle, either would work just as badly for me.
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Either caliber will get done most any practical job. I shoot an '06, but don't own a .308. What I have always been curious about it why competitive shooters take the .308 hands down over the '06. I have to assume it has some accuracy advantage over the '06.

Since I can't hit a barn from the inside with a rifle, either would work just as badly for me.
That's what I was wondering why is 308 considered a long range cartridge if 30-06 is more powerful? I guess 30-06 is super long range lol.

As far as rifles go I am looking at the marlin or the ruger American. I would not hesitate on a used m700 for the right price/condition. But I mainly want to spend money on the glass.
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That's what I was wondering why is 308 considered a long range cartridge if 30-06 is more powerful? I guess 30-06 is super long range lol.

As far as rifles go I am looking at the marlin or the ruger American. I would not hesitate on a used m700 for the right price/condition. But I mainly want to spend money on the glass.
I know a dealer that sells the ruger Americans new for 350. He only has em in 270 though
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I know a dealer that sells the ruger Americans new for 350. He only has em in 270 though
I have seen a few for around that price. I haven't heard anything bad about those guns yet.
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How does the 270 compare to 308 and 3006
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How does the 270 compare to 308 and 3006
It's a good cartridge, it's easier to find and it has less recoil than a 308.
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