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jps37033 12-01-2009 01:57 AM

300 Win Mag ?
 
I just traded for a Remington 300 Winchester Mag rifle. Never had this large a caliber. Is it overkill for deer in the south? My longest shot would be 50 yards at the MAX. But I do feel there is a bit of humane in killing a deer and do it as efficiently as possible.....

I am also kinda scared to shoot it as I went on youtube and the first video was of a dude with his forehead split open from the scope....

Is the recoil actually that bad??? The scope it came with has about 7" eye relief for me. Is that enough?

I am sure, but I dont need to worry about not taking down a deer right?

I was using a .243.

I am thinking of trading it for a smaller caliber (30-30, .270, etc)

Thanks

270 win 12-01-2009 02:21 AM

I would definatly trade it, for 50 yd shots, it is almost useless. I'm guessing where you hunt has a lot of trees and bush right? So I would go to sumthing like a 257 Roberts, and 7" eye relief is waaaaay more than enough to shoot it without worrying.

Dillinger 12-01-2009 02:26 AM

Jesus Bro!

At 50 yards the .300 Win mag is going to hit like a runaway truck. Probably go in the size of a dime and exit the size of a half dollar, AT LEAST!!

Not to mention the round isn't going to be stable at 50 yards, so anything is possible.

I would say yes, that is overkill if you are shooting deer outside of a nuclear plant spill or recent meteroid impact location.

Now, as to the round itself. That is a great, long range, flat shooting round that MANY long range tactical platforms are built on. It's a punishing 1,000 yard cartridge. Without a good stock, a good recoil pad, and I would recommend a real good 23 degree muzzle break, the round can be very punishing in a low weight, stock stick.

However, you will definitely NOT lack the ability to punch the life out of just about anything in the Northern Hemisphere.

As for numbers??

You are talking a 190gr round, leaving the barrel at, what, something like 3500 ft lbs of energy?? That is some SERIOUS trauma brother. SERIOUS!!

A .308 at 180gr leaves the barrel at around, what, 2650, 2700 ft lbs of energy?!?!?

That is a heavier round, traveling faster, with more ballistic ability to do some serious damage....

You want to know if it's overkill for deer in the south? I have to say yes, personally, but I am no hunter by any stretch...

JD

270 win 12-01-2009 02:28 AM

At 50 yds, the bullet is going so fast that it probably wouldn't have time to expand.

Dillinger 12-01-2009 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 270 win (Post 192507)
At 50 yds, the bullet is going so fast that it probably wouldn't have time to expand.

You are assuming he hasn't hit anything solid. Hit a rib, or worse, a couple of bones, on the way thru, with a Nosler Ballistic Tip and you can expect some serious damage.

On a thru and thru, I would agree with you, but not very common in these parts. There is always collateral damage to the skeletal structure....

JD

jps37033 12-01-2009 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dillinger (Post 192506)
Jesus Bro!

At 50 yards the .300 Win mag is going to hit like a runaway truck. Probably go in the size of a dime and exit the size of a half dollar, AT LEAST!!

Not to mention the round isn't going to be stable at 50 yards, so anything is possible.

I would say yes, that is overkill if you are shooting deer outside of a nuclear plant spill or recent meteroid impact location.

Now, as to the round itself. That is a great, long range, flat shooting round that MANY long range tactical platforms are built on. It's a punishing 1,000 yard cartridge. Without a good stock, a good recoil pad, and I would recommend a real good 23 degree muzzle break, the round can be very punishing in a low weight, stock stick.

However, you will definitely NOT lack the ability to punch the life out of just about anything in the Northern Hemisphere.

As for numbers??

You are talking a 190gr round, leaving the barrel at, what, something like 3500 ft lbs of energy?? That is some SERIOUS trauma brother. SERIOUS!!

A .308 at 180gr leaves the barrel at around, what, 2650, 2700 ft lbs of energy?!?!?

That is a heavier round, traveling faster, with more ballistic ability to do some serious damage....

You want to know if it's overkill for deer in the south? I have to say yes, personally, but I am no hunter by any stretch...

JD

Thanks. I really appreciate the honest (and absolutely Hilarious(im on a little jack and coke) response)!

But, I now have no worry that I might make the deer suffer too long like a abdominal shot with a .223 or something.

But, I still would like to get rid of it. I just got a great deal on it. I basically traded a $225 handgun for it. Its a remington 710 300 win mag with aftermarket scope and extras...... I want a smaller caliber (30-30) :)

Wambli 12-01-2009 03:39 AM

At 50 yards I would be very concerned with bullet overexpansion/failure and ruining a LOT of meat if you use the 150gr bullets that are more suitable for deer. The 180gr. are tougher construction but way overkill for your game. For Southern deer at those distances a .243 to 7mm-08 class caliber will save your shoulder a bit of punishments and do the job better.

That being said recoil is a very subjective thing. I have a Remington Custom Shop 700 AWR that weighs in at 7.5 lb scoped in .300 Win Mag and it's one of my favorite riifles when I need to touch someting a little farther away than normal. BUT it's not a rifle for the recoil shy. A Leupold VX-III 4.5-14 is a good scope for that gun because of the generous eye relief and offers enough magnification to take advantage of the longer range caliber potential.

spittinfire 12-01-2009 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jps37033 (Post 192523)
Thanks. I really appreciate the honest (and absolutely Hilarious(im on a little jack and coke) response)!

But, I now have no worry that I might make the deer suffer too long like a abdominal shot with a .223 or something.

But, I still would like to get rid of it. I just got a great deal on it. I basically traded a $225 handgun for it. Its a remington 710 300 win mag with aftermarket scope and extras...... I want a smaller caliber (30-30) :)

I agree with JD, it's way overkill for deer in the south. I personally use a 30-06 with 150gr bullets for deer in NC and I have yet to have one get up.
Having said that, I'll give you $250 for it.

Txhillbilly 12-01-2009 09:17 PM

The 300 Winchester Magnum is a great caliber,I own a couple rifles in it. If you reload you can tame the recoil way down,or load up with some outrageous monster loads. It does have a decent amount of recoil in a lighter rifle,but nothing that will scare you-if you are not a beginning shooter.

It is not a round meant for short range shooting though,it was meant to reach out and touch it's targets. If you don't plan on shooting atleast 100yrds + you would be better off with a different caliber.

I enjoy shooting the 300WM,and usually fire off 100-200 rds a day out of mine,when I go to the range.

skullcrusher 12-01-2009 09:48 PM

jps37033,

If you ever think you may in the slighest bit have the chance to ever go west or north for larger game like elk, moose or mule deer, I say hold onto the rifle. There are several rifles that you can get in a more appropriate caliber for your usage for less than $500. Most notably is the Marlin XL7 that is now available in several calibers for your yardage and small deer. JMHO. :D


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