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Old 01-11-2013, 12:02 AM   #51
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I just read your response. You aren't 'listening'. The LAWYER said, "Don't use reloaded ammunition for self defense." he explained that any lawyer could make that look like you wanted to kill somebody and you were looking for any excuse. This would negate your self defense claim if you had to shoot somebody, even if they break into your home.
Becouse u re load u look like u want to kill someone?????? What a bunch of horse apples, im still ohh nevermind. Rolleyes.
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I understand your thoughts on the subject, and I agree. The lawyer went on to say that the family of the person you shoot, will sue you for wrongful homicide claiming he was a 'good kid at heart' and this was all a mistake.
I have a .45 ACP, EAA Witness that I bought from a pawn shop in 2001. I reload hundreds of rounds and shoot targets for fun and to stay sharp. I keep it beside my bed, loaded with Remington ammunition, in case I have to use it for SD. 230 grain bullet travelling about 850fps will stop anybody and not go too far after that.
I'm playing it safe. I know how the legal system can screw a person if you don't have all your ducks in a row, and a good (expensive) lawyer. A trial to 'defend' yourself from shooting an attacker can cost maybe $100,000, and you could go to jail anyway. The perpetrator screws up YOUR life somehow just by being there.
All this was a warning from the CCWP lawyer.

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Why not use a large Leg Hold Bear trap. Then you can beat the BG to death with a bat. There will not be a gun issue to deal with.

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I understand your thoughts on the subject, and I agree. The lawyer went on to say that the family of the person you shoot, will sue you for wrongful homicide claiming he was a 'good kid at heart' and this was all a mistake.
I have a .45 ACP, EAA Witness that I bought from a pawn shop in 2001. I reload hundreds of rounds and shoot targets for fun and to stay sharp. I keep it beside my bed, loaded with Remington ammunition, in case I have to use it for SD. 230 grain bullet travelling about 850fps will stop anybody and not go too far after that.
I'm playing it safe. I know how the legal system can screw a person if you don't have all your ducks in a row, and a good (expensive) lawyer. A trial to 'defend' yourself from shooting an attacker can cost maybe $100,000, and you could go to jail anyway. The perpetrator screws up YOUR life somehow just by being there.
All this was a warning from the CCWP lawyer.

Not in Missouri, we have the Castle Doctrine, it say; you break into my home I kill you Nuff said, no matter what I use...........
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Do they still make the 30-30 accelerator round? I remember seeing a bunch of boxes in a lgs years ago. Not saying it would be good for self defense but the issue of over penetration is...well...not an issue. May run into an issue of stopping power though.

I live in Kentucky so you really have to screw up a shooting to be convicted. My brother in law is an attorney. Got a guy off of a murder charge when the man was 45 feet away, used a 44 mag and was intoxicated. This all happened a year after the same guy shot someone else with the same gun. It cost him out the ass, but he ended up with a man slaughter charge and time srved (I think).

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During my tenure in LE, I was told by our District Attorney, and two different assistant DAs not to use hand loads because of civil lawsuits.

I am not an attorney, and not an expert on civil law. Therefore when THREE DIFFERENT ATTORNEYS all tell me the same thing, I pay attention.

I've never heard a licensed attorney dispute this.

These people are the experts in this field. I listen to them. If anyone chooses not to listen, that's your prerogative. But don't complain if you get bitten in the arse.

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Do they still make the 30-30 accelerator round? I remember seeing a bunch of boxes in a lgs years ago. Not saying it would be good for self defense but the issue of over penetration is...well...not an issue. May run into an issue of stopping power though.

I live in Kentucky so you really have to screw up a shooting to be convicted. My brother in law is an attorney. Got a guy off of a murder charge when the man was 45 feet away, used a 44 mag and was intoxicated. This all happened a year after the same guy shot someone else with the same gun. It cost him out the ass, but he ended up with a man slaughter charge and time srved (I think).
Damn, I'd like to buy your brother Beer ! Kentucky was beautiful country, I liked everything except the dry counties...in the land of bourbon no less.
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Damn, I'd like to buy your brother Beer ! Kentucky was beautiful country, I liked everything except the dry counties...in the land of bourbon no less.
He's good people. He got the guy off the first shooting too. When he was arrested for the second shooting all th guy had in his wallet was two dollars and my brother in laws card.

Kentucky is beautiful country. I love it here. Never understood the dry counties myself, but many are going to at least moist counties now. I would love to make it out west one day to see some of that country to compare my beautiful commonwealth to.
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Here is a list of original calibers, .30WCF is 30-30.

.22 WCF
.25-20 WCF
.25-35 WCF
.30 WCF - "30-30"
.32 Winchester Special - ".32 Special"
.32 Winchester Self-Loading - ".32 WSL"
.32 WCF - "32-20"
.32-40 WCF = ".32-40 Ballard"
.33 WCF
.348 WCF
.38-40 WCF
.38-55 WCF
.38-56 WCF
.38-70 WCF
.38-72 WCF
.40-82 WCF
.40-110 WCF
.40-60 WCF
.40-65 WCF
.40-70 WCF
.40-72 WCF
.40-82 WCF
.405 WCF
.44-40 WCF
.45-60 WCF
.45-75 WCF
.45-90 WCF - ".45-90 Sharps"
.50-110 WCF
.50-95 WCF


Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Winchester_Center_Fire_cartridges
The .38-40 was also known as, and head stamped, .38 WCF (Winchester Center Fire).
Reference: Chuck Hawks, Retrieved from: http://www.chuckhawks.com/38-40win.htm

You might notice that the 45-70 isn't mentioned in the list. That is because it isn't a Winchester round.

The .45-70 rifle cartridge, also known as .45-70 Government, was developed at the U.S. Army's Springfield Armory for use in the Springfield Model 1873, which is known to collectors as the "Trapdoor Springfield."
Reference: Wikipedia, Retrieved from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45-70
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Not in Missouri, we have the Castle Doctrine, it say; you break into my home I kill you Nuff said, no matter what I use...........
The following site is a good one to read. Don't assume you're 'good to go'. You might get bitten really badly in the 'arse' if you go blazing away at some scumbag.
http://www.readyholster.com/blog/stand-your-ground-gun-laws-infographic

This site is very informative, check it out. I believe that as a responsible gun owner I should know the laws where I am. I live in Iowa right now.
I have a duty to retreat outside my home.
I can stand my ground inside my home.
I am immune from civil lawsuit.
When I go back to Alaska, the laws are the same, so I know what I can and can't do. I am assuming that if some scumbag attacks with deadly force outside my home in either state, that I will be able to counter that without being charged with some kind of homicide or manslaughter. Any thoughts guys?

According to this site, Missouri has the weakest self defense laws. READ IT! Save yourself from an ass biting!



Also, don't assume just because you shoot a home invader, that it isn't your fault the round just 'keeps on giving'. If you inadvertently shoot a neighbor or bystander, you aren't a NY cop; you won't get away with it.
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