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Old 08-14-2012, 02:00 PM   #41
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I've never even heard of .30WCF. I like to stay with the greats of calibers. .30-30, .308, 30-06, but definitely not .30WCF.

At least if I had the choice.

Here is a list of original calibers, .30WCF is 30-30.

.22 WCF
.25-20 WCF
.25-35 WCF
.30 WCF - "30-30"
.32 Winchester Special - ".32 Special"
.32 Winchester Self-Loading - ".32 WSL"
.32 WCF - "32-20"
.32-40 WCF = ".32-40 Ballard"
.33 WCF
.348 WCF
.38-40 WCF
.38-55 WCF
.38-56 WCF
.38-70 WCF
.38-72 WCF
.40-82 WCF
.40-110 WCF
.40-60 WCF
.40-65 WCF
.40-70 WCF
.40-72 WCF
.40-82 WCF
.405 WCF
.44-40 WCF
.45-60 WCF
.45-75 WCF
.45-90 WCF - ".45-90 Sharps"
.50-110 WCF
.50-95 WCF


Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Winchester_Center_Fire_cartridges
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I was told by a lawyer when i took the CCWP class," If you reload, don't use reloaded ammunition for self defence. Any good lawyer will turn it against you, by saying that because you reload you were planning to kill someone."

Use factory ammo, and don't use a 30-30, it's far too powerful for self defence work. Shotgun or handgun will suffice, caliber is your choice.

So a shotgun or handgun will do, but the .30 WCF is way too powerfull for self-defense, then what about this ? It`s a BFR in .30 WCF...........
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I was told by a lawyer when i took the CCWP class," If you reload, don't use reloaded ammunition for self defence. Any good lawyer will turn it against you, by saying that because you reload you were planning to kill someone."
So what your attorney is saying, as a matter of public record,

is that many folks, just like myself, who spent thousands of dollars on

reloading equipment, materials, publications, and work space,

were planning to kill someone. On, of course, the off chance

that this person we "planned" to kill was going to crawl

through our kitchen window at 3:00 AM?

And how is it that our "evil reloading" motivated the BG to

go out of his way, in his personal life, commit a crime against us

which threatened our life? IANAL, but IMO you need better legal

advice...
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I don't want to derail this thread too much, but since it already went there...

Reloading is great for plinking and is also great for dialing in a particular load desired for competition or hunting. However, it seems that the money savings is absolutely not worth even the remote possibility of increased trouble associated with using reloads for SD.

An extra 50cents/round cost (or whatever) for factory SD loads is good peace of mind.

The legal advice is just fine.

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So what your attorney is saying, as a matter of public record,

is that many folks, just like myself, who spent thousands of dollars on

reloading equipment, materials, publications, and work space,

were planning to kill someone. On, of course, the off chance

that this person we "planned" to kill was going to crawl

through our kitchen window at 3:00 AM?

And how is it that our "evil reloading" motivated the BG to

go out of his way, in his personal life, commit a crime against us

which threatened our life? IANAL, but IMO you need better legal

advice...
I just read your response. You aren't 'listening'. The LAWYER said, "Don't use reloaded ammunition for self defense." he explained that any lawyer could make that look like you wanted to kill somebody and you were looking for any excuse. This would negate your self defense claim if you had to shoot somebody, even if they break into your home.
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So a shotgun or handgun will do, but the .30 WCF is way too powerfull for self-defense, then what about this ? It`s a BFR in .30 WCF...........
It's your call, bud. It's still a 30-30, and will go through your attacker and maybe blow off your neighbor's head. Either you move or your neighbor's survivors move afterward, if you win the court case.
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If its all you've got, use it but over penetration is an issue. You can mitigate it some w ammo choice but unless you have steel in your walls, it's not going to stop a .30 cal .

As for lawyers, numerous threads dealing w repercussions of 100% legal shoots cause somebody loves the BG. "98% of felons killed were just starting to turn their lives around." (FTF Member). If the race card is played, the Legal fees & media circus go up.

My advice: Buy a shotgun -

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I use a model 12 & a H&R 922 for HD, oh my 6 dogs.................

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Everyone is so concerned w/ over penetration. I use an AO 10mm Gov't 1911a1
w/ 180gr gold dot ammo. Would I use 180gr or 170gr cast lead, you bet! All will pass through, make a mess. All will go through walls, cars.... But knowing where I live and where the neighbors sleep(second story), I could use an AK and be fine. I'm in a residential neighborhood.

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Here is a list of original calibers, .30WCF is 30-30.

.22 WCF
.25-20 WCF
.25-35 WCF
.30 WCF - "30-30"
.32 Winchester Special - ".32 Special"
.32 Winchester Self-Loading - ".32 WSL"
.32 WCF - "32-20"
.32-40 WCF = ".32-40 Ballard"
.33 WCF
.348 WCF
.38-40 WCF
.38-55 WCF
.38-56 WCF
.38-70 WCF
.38-72 WCF
.40-82 WCF
.40-110 WCF
.40-60 WCF
.40-65 WCF
.40-70 WCF
.40-72 WCF
.40-82 WCF
.405 WCF
.44-40 WCF
.45-60 WCF
.45-75 WCF
.45-90 WCF - ".45-90 Sharps"
.50-110 WCF
.50-95 WCF


Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Winchester_Center_Fire_cartridges

.44-40 is about perfect!!!!
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