I load Hornady 170 grain flat point bullets over **.* grains of 4064. My son killed his first elk with that load in a 94 Winchester. One shot. Clean kill. Bullet expanded to over 1/2 inch and was found under the skin on the off side. Completely penetrated a large elk's chest.
I didn't fight to defend your freedom so you could vote to take away mine.
"A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
John Stuart Mill."