30-06 perfect hunting caliber - Page 12
Firearm & Gun Forum - FireArmsTalk.com > Long Guns > General Rifle Discussion > 30-06 perfect hunting caliber

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-31-2013, 04:15 PM   #111
The Apocalypse Is Coming.....
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 28,709
Liked 21989 Times on 12399 Posts
Likes Given: 53672

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anna_Purna View Post
So Jeff cooper and Massad Ayoob, etc are not authorities on anything because they may have written in a gun magazine? hrmmmm.... ok
Quote:
Originally Posted by TLuker View Post
There are some very good writers out there, but I do get JonM's point (and yours). So much of this comes down to figuring out what works for you, and that may or may not be what works for writers. I don't consider most writers as any more knowledgeable than a lot of us. They just happen very gifted with a pen.
Jons right that many writers of the articles in gun rags are just paid endorsements for products. yes there are some good writers who actually walk the walk of what they are writing about. you just have to discerc which are which though and pick and choose carefully.

many times the writers are writing about products their advertisers carry in those magazines. kind of hard to flame hard and heavy on people paying your salary.

and i agree with that. just because a writer writes an article about a certain firearm or cartridge, doesn't automatically make him an expert on that subject.
__________________
Axxe55 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-2013, 04:18 PM   #112
FTF_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
TLuker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: S.C.
Posts: 2,943
Liked 1430 Times on 937 Posts
Likes Given: 3050

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Axxe55 View Post
the 7mm-08 is a 308 necked down to a 7mm caliber. the 308 was derived from the 30-06, so yes the 7mm-08 is indirectly derived from the 30-06 as well IMO.
I guess I think of a 7mm-08 as having come full circle and being a descendant of both the 30/06 and the 7mm Mauser?
__________________
TLuker is online now  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-2013, 04:20 PM   #113
The Apocalypse Is Coming.....
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 28,709
Liked 21989 Times on 12399 Posts
Likes Given: 53672

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TLuker View Post
I guess I think of a 7mm-08 as having come full circle and being a descendant of both the 30/06 and the 7mm Mauser?
i guess in a roundabout way, yes it could be!
__________________
Axxe55 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-2013, 08:59 PM   #114
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
hairbear1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Molong,NSW Australia
Posts: 610
Liked 395 Times on 216 Posts
Likes Given: 31

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Axxe55 View Post
the 7mm-08 is a 308 necked down to a 7mm caliber. the 308 was derived from the 30-06, so yes the 7mm-08 is indirectly derived from the 30-06 as well IMO.
I'm going to split hairs here with you in that the .308 was derived from 7.62 NATO round and was introduced in 1952 where upon Winchester put it's name to it as a commercial round.
The parent case for the .308 is the .300 Savage.
__________________

The ability to think and speak doesn't necessarily guarantee intelligence

hairbear1 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-2013, 09:18 PM   #115
The Apocalypse Is Coming.....
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 28,709
Liked 21989 Times on 12399 Posts
Likes Given: 53672

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hairbear1 View Post
I'm going to split hairs here with you in that the .308 was derived from 7.62 NATO round and was introduced in 1952 where upon Winchester put it's name to it as a commercial round.
The parent case for the .308 is the .300 Savage.
NATO didn't adopt the 7.62x51 until 1954, almost two years after Winchester introduced the 308 in 1952.

the parent cartridge for the 308 was originally the 300 Savage whose parent cartridge was the 250-3000 Savage, whose parent cartridge was the 30-06 Springfield.

30-06 is a 7.62x63mm.
308 is a 7.62x51mm.

so if the original parent cartridge for the two Savage cartridges was the 30-06, which were the parent cartridges for the 308, then a person could make the 308 from 30-06 cases.
__________________
Axxe55 is offline  
2
People Like This 
Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-2013, 10:31 PM   #116
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
hairbear1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Molong,NSW Australia
Posts: 610
Liked 395 Times on 216 Posts
Likes Given: 31

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Axxe55 View Post
NATO didn't adopt the 7.62x51 until 1954, almost two years after Winchester introduced the 308 in 1952.

the parent cartridge for the 308 was originally the 300 Savage whose parent cartridge was the 250-3000 Savage, whose parent cartridge was the 30-06 Springfield.

30-06 is a 7.62x63mm.
308 is a 7.62x51mm.

so if the original parent cartridge for the two Savage cartridges was the 30-06, which were the parent cartridges for the 308, then a person could make the 308 from 30-06 cases.
There isn't much difference between the 2 cartridges as in dimensions on the cases but jeeez I don't think I would or could be bothered in mucking around resizing a 30/06 down to .308 considering the 30/06 will handle the heavier 165gn - 220gn projectiles better than the .308.

Going on the performances of my 30/06AI on previously mentioned on donkeys, horses, pigs, goats,deer and dogs I'll stay with the 30/06.

In standard form there's really not much difference in performance between the .270, .308 or 30/06 just what you can stand recoil wise and what your pocket likes it's just that the 30/06 can handle the heavier pills better which also gives me a better choice of projectiles for use on bigger game.

This is a thread which will have a lot of agree's to disagree's in it and can be argued like GM vs Ford or Sako vs Remington vs Winchester vs Ruger etc.

To me the 30/06 is the stepping stone from .270,.308 class rifle to the bigger .30's and beyond.
__________________

The ability to think and speak doesn't necessarily guarantee intelligence

hairbear1 is offline  
2
People Like This 
Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-2013, 11:07 PM   #117
FTF_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Anna_Purna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 7,236
Liked 6751 Times on 3669 Posts
Likes Given: 5796

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hairbear1 View Post
This is a thread which will have a lot of agree's to disagree's in it and can be argued like GM vs Ford or Sako vs Remington vs Winchester vs Ruger etc.
To me a Sako cannot be compared in the same class to one of the General Motors type rifles made in america.
__________________
Anna_Purna is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-01-2013, 12:29 AM   #118
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
jpattersonnh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: South central,NH
Posts: 5,069
Liked 741 Times on 516 Posts
Likes Given: 773

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anna_Purna View Post
Next time you are in a gun store, take a look at the empty spaces for all the different 30 cal bullets. Then take a look at any other non 30 caliber section and you will then learn, yung grasshoppa.
I thank you for the "young" comment!! I've got so many .30 cal bullets for reloading, more then any other caliber. I use them for 7.5x55 and .308. .30-06 never floated my boat, I started w/ 8x57 and .30-06 never gave any advantage.
I'm a diehard 8x57 fan. If I want a little more distance 7mm rem mag is my choice. Just personnal prefrence, nothing against .30-06. I've got 3 8x57 rifles for different purposes.
__________________

Freedom is not free. The best of us always leave too soon.

jpattersonnh is offline  
Anna_Purna Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-01-2013, 02:11 AM   #119
FTF_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Anna_Purna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 7,236
Liked 6751 Times on 3669 Posts
Likes Given: 5796

Default

Your very welcome. My favorite for everything but up here in the green weather seasons is a 25.06. In the green time I have to bring along something bigger when I'm out alone.

__________________
Anna_Purna is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-01-2013, 02:43 AM   #120
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
ARlover's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 72
Liked 11 Times on 8 Posts

Default

My soon to be Rem 700 30-06 with fluted barrel and a bushel elite scope

image-489149238.jpg

__________________
ARlover is offline  
4
People Like This 
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Firearms Forum Replies Last Post
Hunting Caliber choice SmokyMtnHiker Ammunition & Reloading 13 02-21-2013 07:17 AM
And the Winner for the Perfect Handgun Caliber is ? YankeeTactical-com The Club House 0 12-11-2012 04:24 PM
pig hunting? bait? and what caliber should i be going for? Boltguns4life Hunting Forum 21 07-19-2012 01:19 AM
New to hunting... What caliber should I buy. Rockjeep94 Hunting Forum 54 07-11-2012 03:35 PM
hunting in .329 caliber Lagos Ammunition & Reloading 2 11-01-2007 02:14 PM