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Old 01-07-2013, 12:07 AM   #61
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"I am looking for a good long range deer hunting gun....
800 yards...."


Simple for me. I'll be carring my .45 ACP 1911 and a good pair of field glasses. I won't be shooting at anything but I can do some looking. That's too far for me to be shooting.
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I use 165gn Game Kings in the 30/06AI but ohers over here use 180gn Barnes,Woodleigh's on our Reds, Sambar,Fallow,Chital deer.

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.30-06 Ackley Improved.
Could someone fill me n on what ackley improved is?
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John Deer, i am not trying to be critical, but pretty sure isn't ethical. you need to know for a fact that you can hit your target. and there is only one thing that will ensure that fact. that's trigger time. setting up targets at that distance, and being able to hit each and every time you pull the trigger. if you can't achieve this, then you are nowhere near ready for that type of shooting distances.
I will condense my statement I said "It's hard to find deer you have shot a long distance away. I backed my statement by sharing my experience in the soybean field. I dropped the deer on the spot and it took us an hour to find it. Once you take your eyes off a spot where the deer fell they can be hard to find, especially when everything looks the same. That field was at least 100 acres of brown. I don't care who took the shot they could not have done it better. We likely walked within 10 yards of the deer a dozen times before we found it.

If you can't appreciate this situation I would advise you to get some hunting experience before commenting.
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Could someone fill me n on what ackley improved is?
Ream out the chamber, increase the volume available, make a sharper shoulder to the specs for the Ackley and it is now improved. (This is all done with a specific reaming tool.)

The added volume will hold greater amounts of powder, thus giving a greater potential of velocity.

The brass is 'fire formed' from the original chambering brass. The same bullet diameter is still used.
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Ream out the chamber, increase the volume available, make a sharper shoulder to the specs for the Ackley and it is now improved. (This is all done with a specific reaming tool.)

The added volume will hold greater amounts of powder, thus giving a greater potential of velocity.

The brass is 'fire formed' from the original chambering brass. The same bullet diameter is still used.
So after it's reamed out you fire the rounds to expand the brass to the new size and then hand load them hotter than factory specs in a thinner chamber? Sounds dangerous lol
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Have been using '06s for 40+ yrs and have never lost a deer with them. There are more powerful rounds, shorter rounds, but over all '06s have well proved their place as America's favorite. Loaded some 200s, 180s, and a couple blocks of 150s over the weekend. Ready to play now.

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Or take that money you spent and go get one of the .300 magnums and be done with it. But for those enjoy the process it is a good round.

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I have two .308's and two 300 WinMags - there is a big difference between the two. If you look at the ballistics between the 30-06 and the 308 it is very similar. You need more then one.

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So after it's reamed out you fire the rounds to expand the brass to the new size and then hand load them hotter than factory specs in a thinner chamber? Sounds dangerous lol
Yes to a point. There is no factory specs, so to speak. The chamber isn't truly thinner, just moved forward in the barrel, more or less. After the first 'fire forming', the brass is sized in sizing dies that are the same as the new chamber, this gives the greater volume.

Look at the .222 Remington round. It was lengthened to make the .222 Remington magnum and then the shoulder angle was changed to increase case volume a little more (and shorten the neck). This is the basic concept. (Actually the Ackley pre-dates the .222 Remington by many years.) The process was common for many years. I consider it all but unnecessary with the new/er powders. But then, I don't load/shoot super hot loads anyway.

Many people have had very good results with the Ackley and variations of it. Don't ignore something that works well.
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