[axxe55]

Originally Posted by blucoondawg

Seems to me 800-1000 yard shots are mainly done with targets for competition or the heck of it, I don't hear of many hunters even out west shooting that far at animals, you get to the extreme long ranges and many other variables have a big effect on your shooting, mainly good old mother nature, different wind gusts for example can throw you off different amounts, those sort of shots are very risky and take a ton of practice, even the most accomplished shooters aren't going to be near perfect at those ranges and are going to think twice before pulling the trigger and risking wounding an animal.

most ethical hunters who shoot very well and with the proper rifle cartridge and ammo will usually stop at about 500-600 yards. i agree pretty much anthing past that, including into the 800-1000 yard range should be limited to paper targets. you low a shot on a paper tage by a foot all you do is mess up your score. blow that same shot on an animal, well you will probably end up traking a wounded animal that you may not be able to find. sorry but this is getting into distances that i consider to be unethical and i will not give any suggestions or advice to someone so they can use it in an unethical manner.

as another poster on this thread said, 300 WM is a 1000 yard rifle. yes that may be true and there are many rifles and cartridges that have that capability, but that doesn't mean the person behind the trigger has that capability.

[cottontop]

A 300 what?
cottontop

[lbwar15]

Originally Posted by cottontop

A 300 what?
cottontop

Winchester mag, Winchester short mag

[Flat Tire]

Here is what I would get. They claim half the felt recoil. This is a hunting rifle-something to carry. I want a 300 Win Mag in a wood stock and the lightest 4x16 scope I can buy.

http://www.benelliusa.com/rifles/index.php

[lbwar15]

Originally Posted by Flat Tire

Here is what I would get. They claim half the felt recoil. This is a hunting rifle-something to carry. I want a 300 Win Mag in a wood stock and the lightest 4x16 scope I can buy.

http://www.benelliusa.com/rifles/index.php

The R1? It seams like a nice rifle. But it's ugly as hell. Just my OP tho. To each his own.

[John_Deer]

I am pretty sure I can hit a deer 500 maybe even 600 yards away. But can I recover the deer after I have shot it? Even if the deer dropped right there on the spot I would be walking in circles trying to find it. I shot a deer with two spotters in a soybean field. I would estimate the deer was 200 yards away. We found the deer an hour later.

[blucoondawg]

The wood model looks a little nicer but it sure has some odd looking lines to it.

[axxe55]

Originally Posted by John_Deer

I am pretty sure I can hit a deer 500 maybe even 600 yards away. But can I recover the deer after I have shot it? Even if the deer dropped right there on the spot I would be walking in circles trying to find it. I shot a deer with two spotters in a soybean field. I would estimate the deer was 200 yards away. We found the deer an hour later.

John Deer, i am not trying to be critical, but pretty sure isn't ethical. you need to know for a fact that you can hit your target. and there is only one thing that will ensure that fact. that's trigger time. setting up targets at that distance, and being able to hit each and every time you pull the trigger. if you can't achieve this, then you are nowhere near ready for that type of shooting distances.

[barnjoer]

you can't beat the 06, better choice of bullet weights 55gr to 220gr. as far as the 308 to the 30-06 at 500 yards both with A 150gr line of sight drop 308 ( -55'' ) 30-06 ( -38.2'' ) velocity 308 1492 30-06 1926 energy 308 741.16 , 30-06 1234.88. Both are great deer calibers, but the 06 will out shoot the 308. Just my 2 cents worth.

[HockaLouis]

Originally Posted by bamashooter68

...I would love to have a 30-06 Ackley Improved. That turnes a very good .30 caliber into a great .30 caliber...

Easily enough done -- find a decent 'smith to ream the chamber a bit. You can always still shoot factory .30-06 out of it. Think of it as the .308 Magnum!