Originally Posted by Milsurpshooter60
Well for one i was in army 14 yrs and saw the range and firepower of the 7.62-308 , just more accurate for me than any 06, they dont use 30.06 in sniper rifles in todays army for a reason. i think it has more long range potential then an 06 i have shot both and seen what snipers and real shooters can do with the 308.leo swat snipers all use 308s as well i mean there has to be a reason and i have missed way more long shots with the 06 then i ever did with the 308 , may just be me but to me it is better for long range and depends on who and what that round is loaded with.I load my own.so hope that answers ya ? my freind.and slower? my 308 loads are pushing at over 2800 fps, the 06 is usually about 2700 with the same 150 grain bullet, powder and primer..Guess its a matter of choice and what has worked better for me.and for long range shooting i favor the 168 grain bthp in my 308.
Your velocities are out of date because you are referencing old military ball ammo that was designed for the M-1 which had a weakness in the op rod that prevented slower burning powders from being used.
The military knew that they could duplicate the performance with a smaller case and modern powders and that would allow them to transport more ammo, and so was born the 7.62x51 NATO and the M1A/M14
There is something to be said for the 308 performing well through a variety of different ammo because of its higher pressure and faster powders, and I will give you that. However the reason the military uses the 308 for sniper rifles is for logistical reasons not because it is the best performer.
The police snipers use the .308 for uniformity and testing reasons (you have to have a lot of documentation in law enforcement) it is far easier to use .308 than to pay to get all of your own testing done and then have it scrutinized in court.
The standard for sniper testing on my counties swat team is a four inch cranial ball at 200 yards, hardly what i would consider precision shooting.
The two active duty Army snipers that I shoot with have told me that if a shot is over 300 yards they will try to grab the .50 for fear of missing due to the ballistic limitations of the .308 Most units in today's Army don't want a bolt gun in their squad at all, which has resulted in a great decline in the use of the .308 in favor of the SDM rifle.
My 30-06 hunting load is a 180 gr Hornady BTSP that chrono's about 2750 from the muzzle (before you say anything I own a chrono so I know what my velocities are) most 150 gr factory loaded ammo leaves the muzzle around 2950 -3000 fps ( Hornady makes some that run 3100) so I'm sorry but I cannot find a ballistic advantage anywhere in the .308. And when my 06 will shoot a 3/4 MOA group with my hand loads I can't find a significant difference in accuracy for a hunting rifle.
Well, I was only an infantryman in the 82nd for four years, but for the last ten I have been shooting NRA high power and CMP service rifle competition.
Out of curiosity where did you finish in the P-100 the last time you shot at camp perry. I was 330 something (Anonymity) out of over 1200 competitors.
Also what's your NRA classification card say on it. Mine says Master.
I was also ranked 17th in the south east region vintage rifle category by the CMP that year.
So until you can break 190 on a full length 600 yard MR target don't talk to me about real shooters.