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Old 04-24-2013, 03:12 AM   #21
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Sorry axxe my friend, but I think you have painted yourself into a corner on this one. In the first place, the .24 caliber bullet is not "very small" in my opinion. The .243 cartridge is not overbore as the 6mm/.284 wildcat is. I rule out and don't even consider bullets lighter than 70 grains for the .243. If one wants to go lighter than 70 grains, then get one of the .224 centerfire rifles. That being said, most reloaders use slower burning powders in the .243 such as 4550 and 4831, not fast burning powders like you said. Velocity is normally around 2800 to 3000 fps w/ 87, 90, and 100 grain bullets, and that is not "very high velocity" as you said. There are exceptions and I suppose it is possible to maybe "burn out a barrel" of a .243 if one uses only lighter weight bullets at maximum velocities and fires 1000's of rounds; but who is going to do that? Not the average rifle shooter that's for sure. So, based on that, the .243 is NOT a barrel burner. Do you have any statistics on the number of normally used barrels on .243 rifles being burned out? I have owned and shot many .243 and 6mm Rem. rifles and have known many others who have done the same for around 50 years and I have not heard of one ever being "shot out!"

And what does the .220 Swift and .22-250 have to do with the .243? In the April 2013 issue of Handloader Magazine, John Barsness, on page 42 states that in The Book of the Rifle by Jim Carmichel, Carmichel states that "many 'shot out' Swifts were revived by a thorough cleaning." So, a lot of the "shot out" Swifts were actually a product of myth. So my advice to the OP is to get a .243 and don't worry about ever shooting out the barrel.
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Cotton, i think we are saying pretty much the same thing, just in a different way! personally i think you are putting into context better than i did.

mine was simply the best example i could come up with on short notice.

plus with newer and better powders, the 220 is making a slow comeback for some. i'd personally like to see it become more common again. i have owned a few in the past and they are one sweet shooting caliber!.
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Old 04-24-2013, 03:18 AM   #22
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I do love the 270. Jack O'Conner made me a believer. Great round.

The 243 is a good round if you're new and might be as little recoil shy.

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Well i dont know about you guys but comparing the recoil of a 308 to a 30.06? i have several of each my 308s are panzies on recoil compared to my 30.06 rifles.Not even in same ballpark my wife shoots a 308 and she is 4ft 10 104 lbs she only shot the 06 once and was never curious again she now sticks with the 308 lol.But i would still take the 308 for long range but if i am only shooting 200 yards tops like we do in the thick woods of central Ohio ill take the 06, Unfortunatley i moved here from down south and had never heard of deer hunting with shotguns which is what we have to do in Ohio.I always carried the 308 in tenn mountains.Realy depends more on the ability of the shooter and how they handle recoil on that choice ,if you are shy to recoil get the 243,if recoil is not a prob with you like me get an 06, forget the 243 on deer i say, not that it wont work just the 308 is so much better to me and much more versatile.And cant beat the 06 still king of most of the sth eastern american woods.

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The .300 Savage was the parent of the .308 not the 30-06. Any way just get a 25-06. This is a fine deer rifle and I have seen some big moose and elk fall before the .25. The .25-06 is a dynamite varmint rifle load with the 75 grs. Hp and a big game hammer with a 120 gr. bullet. The brass can be formed easily and there are kinds of .25 bullets to choose from. And the old girl still shoots flatter than a bookkeepers a&&.

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Which do you think is a better round? Which is more versatile? And why? Looking to buy a ruger American and I need some help on which caliber I should choose.
Six of one & half dozen of the other.....................I have both.
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Well i dont know about you guys but comparing the recoil of a 308 to a 30.06? i have several of each my 308s are panzies on recoil compared to my 30.06 rifles.Not even in same ballpark my wife shoots a 308 and she is 4ft 10 104 lbs she only shot the 06 once and was never curious again she now sticks with the 308 lol.But i would still take the 308 for long range but if i am only shooting 200 yards tops like we do in the thick woods of central Ohio ill take the 06, Unfortunatley i moved here from down south and had never heard of deer hunting with shotguns which is what we have to do in Ohio.I always carried the 308 in tenn mountains.Realy depends more on the ability of the shooter and how they handle recoil on that choice ,if you are shy to recoil get the 243,if recoil is not a prob with you like me get an 06, forget the 243 on deer i say, not that it wont work just the 308 is so much better to me and much more versatile.And cant beat the 06 still king of most of the sth eastern american woods.
Never said the recoil was comparable I said the 30-06 was more versatile. If you are that recoil sensitive then by all means get a smaller gun... Not sure why one would choose a smaller bullet traveling slower at longer ranges?
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Compromise and get a 270. No problem finding 270 ammo right now.
Other than #8 12 gauge, 270 is about all that is on the shelf at the LGS, lol.
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Which do you think is a better round? Which is more versatile? And why? Looking to buy a ruger American and I need some help on which caliber I should choose.
Look at a reloading chart. That should answer the question.
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Other than #8 12 gauge, 270 is about all that is on the shelf at the LGS, lol.
That is why I suggested the 270. It is available and it is a very good cartridge. You can find some premium meaning expensive 308 out there but I have seen plenty of 270 for less than $25 a box.
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I've seen .270 for $18 a box since the drought started. Op, the way things are, I would spend the same amount on ammo as you do on the gun, in whatever caliber you can find.

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