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Old 04-24-2013, 12:52 AM   #11
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I stand corrected. Is that a stainless barrel?
rifle was made in about 1968 or 1969 and no it's not stainless. my father reloaded and shot many a target with that rifle. that rifle was the first centerfire rifle i ever shot and took my first two deer with it many years ago. i wish i had taken pictures of it, but never did. here is one that looks very similar to his.
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There is no comparison between the two. It's like comparing Apples and Pineapples. While I love Apple pie, occasionaly an upside down pineapple cake is not too bad, but can not hold a candle to Mom's Apple Pie. (Dutch apple that is)

Bullet weights for the 243, range from 55 grains to 107 grains, speed from just over 1,000 fps to just under 4,000 fps at 60,000 psi.

Bullet weights for the 308, range from 110 grains to 190 grains, speed from 1000 fps to just under 3,100 fps at 62,000 psi.

While 2,000 psi doesn't sound like a lot, it is a hell of a lot more recoil.

The real question is why are you considering the 308, just get a real rifle in 30-06 springfield and use the grand dad of them all.

308 is a necked down 30-06 case, and 243 is a necked down 308 case.

I think JTJ had it right - just get a 270 (.277) and be done with it.

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OP asked for opinions on 243 v 308. I have a 270 in my safe, puts venison in the freezer with aplomb.

Nuttin wrong with an '06 either. 280 works well also.

Get a bullet in the .27 or higher rifle caliber range and you should be ready to hunt most hoofed animals in North America.

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The real question is why are you considering the 308, just get a real rifle in 30-06 springfield and use the grand dad of them all.

308 is a necked down 30-06 case, and 243 is a necked down 308 case.

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Jim has a good point. From a versatility standpoint none of the aforementioned cartridges can touch the 30-06. You hardly ever see .308 bullets over 175 gr. because the velocity gets real slow and the manufacturers don't put the twist rates on most .308 rifles to stabilize the larger bullets. However factory ammo between 150 - 180gr for the 30-06 is quite common.
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The .308 is definitely more versatile and it is one of my favorites for deer. I took two last season with a .308. Now here is the "but". But the .243 is also an excellent caliber for deer. A lot of people feel that a .243 is underpowered or just not enough bullet but I have seen far to many deer killed with a .243. .243 is one of the best deer calibers out there.

And this is a really big point to keep in mind. It all comes down to shot placement. A lot of people are going to shoot a .243 more accurately than a .308 because it has less recoil and they are going to feel more comfortable with a .243. If anyone is the least bit recoil sensitive then they should get a .243 and never look back. We seem to get it in our heads that we have to man up and shoot a big boy's bullet. Well that's B.S. All that matters is where you put the bullet.

I'll also give a big thumbs up to the 7mm-08.

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Get a 7mm-08, it can do anything a 243 or a 308 can do and do it better! But If I had to choose between a 243 and 308 it would be 100% 308!

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The .308 is definitely more versatile and it is one of my favorites for deer. I took two last season with a .308. Now here is the "but". But the .243 is also an excellent caliber for deer. A lot of people feel that a .243 is underpowered or just not enough bullet but I have seen far to many deer killed with a .243. .243 is one of the best deer calibers out there.

And this is a really big point to keep in mind. It all comes down to shot placement. A lot of people are going to shoot a .243 more accurately than a .308 because it has less recoil and they are going to feel more comfortable with a .243. If anyone is the least bit recoil sensitive then they should get a .243 and never look back. We seem to get it in our heads that we have to man up and shoot a big boy's bullet. Well that's B.S. All that matters is where you put the bullet.

I'll also give a big thumbs up to the 7mm-08.
Maybe, but when that bruiser walks out and I'm shaking like a leaf in a hurricane I'm not thinking about recoil. Those big boys go farther shot in one lung with a .243 than with a .308...
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Get a 7mm-08, it can do anything a 243 or a 308 can do and do it better! But If I had to choose between a 243 and 308 it would be 100% 308!
IMO, the 7mm-08 is a good compromise between the 243 and the 308. mild recoil, excellent ballistics, very good accuracy.

if you reload, lots of options on bullet weights.
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Maybe, but when that bruiser walks out and I'm shaking like a leaf in a hurricane I'm not thinking about recoil. Those big boys go farther shot in one lung with a .243 than with a .308...
I prefer a .308 and I have a barrel with a 1:11.2 rate of twist specifically so I can shoot 180gr bullets in my .308. I also shoot 180gr bullets in my 30-06 and .303 British. I like heavy bullets so you're preaching to the choir. But I still stand by my original comments. A person is better off with a small bullet put where they want it than a big bullet off the mark. I've shot 180gr bullets all my life and don't think anything about it. That's not the case with a lot of other people. And again I've seen way to many deer killed with a .243 to ever doubt it's capability.
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when you take a large case and stuff a very small bullet in it, with fast burning powders to get very high velocity, they can erode the barrels much faster than others.

look up the history of the 220 Swift vs. the 22-250.

some cartridges were more prone to eroding barrels than others, hence the term barrel burners. IMO, most 243's don't fall into that catagory.

Sorry axxe my friend, but I think you have painted yourself into a corner on this one. In the first place, the .24 caliber bullet is not "very small" in my opinion. The .243 cartridge is not overbore as the 6mm/.284 wildcat is. I rule out and don't even consider bullets lighter than 70 grains for the .243. If one wants to go lighter than 70 grains, then get one of the .224 centerfire rifles. That being said, most reloaders use slower burning powders in the .243 such as 4350 and 4831, not fast burning powders like you said. Velocity is normally around 2800 to 3000 fps w/ 87, 90, and 100 grain bullets, and that is not "very high velocity" as you said. There are exceptions and I suppose it is possible to maybe "burn out a barrel" of a .243 if one uses only lighter weight bullets at maximum velocities and fires 1000's of rounds; but who is going to do that? Not the average rifle shooter that's for sure. So, based on that, the .243 is NOT a barrel burner. Do you have any statistics on the number of normally used barrels on .243 rifles being burned out? I have owned and shot many .243 and 6mm Rem. rifles and have known many others who have done the same for around 50 years and I have not heard of one ever being "shot out!"

And what does the .220 Swift and .22-250 have to do with the .243? In the April 2013 issue of Handloader Magazine, John Barsness, on page 42 states that in The Book of the Rifle by Jim Carmichel, Carmichel states that "many 'shot out' Swifts were revived by a thorough cleaning." So, a lot of the "shot out" Swifts were actually a product of myth. So my advice to the OP is to get a .243 and don't worry about ever shooting out the barrel.
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