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Old 02-05-2013, 01:34 AM   #41
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I own a DPMS bull barrel Panther AR15 and will take any North American Game animal there is. I am a Vietnam Vet and believe me, it will do the job. That bullet hits mass and it will tumble and do unbelievable internal damage. If you need to take a follow-up shot, your scope or sight will never leave the target. There is very little recoil. If you are hell bent on a bigger, reasonably priced cartridge, try a 7.62X39 or a 7.62X54R This is just my opinion, and for every 10 replies, you will get at least 8 different opinions. Just my .02 worth.
The 7.62x39 would actually be a good choice vs. the .223,you won't quite get the longer range like a .223 but the 7.62 ammo is just as inexpensive,if not more inexpensive than .223 and the 124gr .308 cal bullet from the 7.62x39 will be more ethical on deer.
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I am still leaning towards a .223 if for anything a range gun I can play with a little and still hunt with.
Warren,Do you reload?
If you don't,then you probably need to forget the 223.You won't find any factory ammo loaded with the bullets that I suggested in a previous post.

I truly don't understand your problem of using your 308. If you can't shoot it well enough to kill a deer at 300 yards or less,you really need to spend more time behind the trigger with it.
A 223 bullet will travel just as far if you miss a deer,and if your worried about damaging meat,it sounds like you need to learn the vital zones of game animals,and practice shooting until you can hit within those ranges every shot.

I'm not trying to be rude,but you need to know exactly how your rifle shoots at any given range that you plan on shooting,and practice is the only way to learn it.
Know the ballistics for the rounds that your shooting,and you can easily hit game at whatever ranges you can shoot your rifle well at.
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Warren,Do you reload?
If you don't,then you probably need to forget the 223.You won't find any factory ammo loaded with the bullets that I suggested in a previous post.

I truly don't understand your problem of using your 308. If you can't shoot it well enough to kill a deer at 300 yards or less,you really need to spend more time behind the trigger with it.
A 223 bullet will travel just as far if you miss a deer,and if your worried about damaging meat,it sounds like you need to learn the vital zones of game animals,and practice shooting until you can hit within those ranges every shot.

I'm not trying to be rude,but you need to know exactly how your rifle shoots at any given range that you plan on shooting,and practice is the only way to learn it.
Know the ballistics for the rounds that your shooting,and you can easily hit game at whatever ranges you can shoot your rifle well at.
No I do not reload and every animal I have killed have been clean shots with an exception of one (trying to shoot 250 yards iron sights with a 30-30 turns out not to be my strong point) as I have said earlier even if there is not a big difference .223 seems to be cheaper than .308 and would be used as a range gun more than hunting
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Up here in western NY, Bflo. area actually we cannot use anything as small as .22. Of course up here in NY we cannot use much of anything.... But the .308 and 7.62 rnds. are very popular. As well as 30-30 and .35 in dense brush, wonderful. Most of my buds and son-in-law normally use 12ga. with slugs. My son-in-law has a Thompson Contender in .308 with a 14in. bbl. and 3-9x redfield scope great close in deer dropper. I have another friend uses a Smith mdl. 29 .44 mag same way, close in great for harvesting deer. But .223? I would think unless you were real close and had a near perfect set up for a shot it would be too easy to just wound the animal. And that is only my opinion... With a for what its worth thrown in.

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I love the .35 round it is a tradition to hunt with one in my family but it is another brush gun and rounds have been hard to come by in the last few years in my neck of the woods

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Do you reload? You may consider that as a way to keep costs down and have access to some of the more rare shells like the 35. You also may find it fun and addicting.

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I think he needs to buy a .223 just for range fun. If he's leaning that way go for it. If you don't like it trade it or sell it. I haven't seen any bolt action .223s. But it has sparked some interest for long range shooting for me up to about 5 or 600 yards. I know the old AR 15 I had in the service with open sites I could hit things up to 500 yards.

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My thoughts were the same I just want to get more opinions. I am very open minded but I believe .223 will do good for me. What brands would y'all recommend? I would like to pay under $700
I have the savage axis stainless in 223 , it's a cheaper gun , but it shoots like a dream , been shooting a lot of white tail with it and I haven't lost one yet , I shoot nosler ballistic 55 grain , and Sierra ballistic 55 grainers , both I've seen lots where they pass right through a average sized doe,s chest cavity , leaving nothin adorable in their paths ,if u have the 223 figured out and are comfortable with it towards shot placement then she's gonna be a keeper , I'm totally comfortable reaching out to 300 yards ,
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There is no reason to hunt deer with a .223. I know you can but its unnecessary.

Do yourself and the animal a favor and bulk up to a 243 or larger. Especially if you plan on taking some lengthy shots. Why eliminate deer that you could take without having enough gun. It takes a very, patient experienced hunter to ethically hunt deer with a .223.

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There is no reason to hunt deer with a .223. I know you can but its unnecessary.

Do yourself and the animal a favor and bulk up to a 243 or larger. Especially if you plan on taking some lengthy shots. Why eliminate deer that you could take without having enough gun. It takes a very, patient experienced hunter to ethically hunt deer with a .223.
Amen to that, the very best a 223 could hope to do would be a piss poor bullet failure from a 7mm-08.
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