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Old 05-07-2014, 05:46 PM   #81
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I have very limited experience with the Marlin bolt actions but the few I have shot were pretty nice rifles. Personally I would save up and look at on of the Savage combos http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/models/ . They are a lot of Rifle for the money. Also don't forget pawnshops and the used rack. A buddy bought a Ruger M77 22-250 with a bull barrel and a 50mm VarixIII Target Scope for $575 last week. Deals like that are not common but are out there so saving a nice bank roll and shopping can and does pay off.
I'd love to find a deal like that. Hopefully I can get a much higher quality rifle in the future but a Marlin or Savage will do for now.
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That's what I was thinking would be best. Thanks for all of the info and for being so helpful.
you're welcome. that's the whole purpose of this forum. to share information.

in all fairness, there were lots of good suggestions made for you to consider. as far as what is best, that is purely subjective in relation to your own budget, needs and wants and what appeals to you.

i am looking forward to seeing what you decide to get though!
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I'd love to find a deal like that. Hopefully I can get a much higher quality rifle in the future but a Marlin or Savage will do for now.
There is not a thing in the world with Marlin or Savage. I am somewhat of a glass whore so plan on spending more on your mounts and scope than the rifle. I have been known to mount a $600 scope and set of rings on a $150 H&R Handi -Rifle.

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There is not a thing in the world with Marlin or Savage. I am somewhat of a glass whore so plan on spending more on your mounts and scope than the rifle. I have been known to mount a $600 scope and set of rings on a $150 H&R Handi -Rifle.

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I know what you mean. I've got $2k scopes on a few rifles that didn't cost 1/4 of the glass. If you can't see it,you can't hit it!
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There is not a thing in the world with Marlin or Savage. I am somewhat of a glass whore so plan on spending more on your mounts and scope than the rifle. I have been known to mount a $600 scope and set of rings on a $150 H&R Handi -Rifle.

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Thanks for the advice. I'm not really a scope expert either, especially not really high dollar ones. You're advice makes total sense about the scope being more important, but I'm a sucker for the look and feel of Winchester and Browning rifles.
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I'll definitely update on what I end up with. I've almost got the money together, do hopefully it will happen soon. I'm kind of a slow, careful shopper though so it's hard to say whether I'll buy new or wait for a good deal on a higher end rifle.
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I know what you mean. I've got $2k scopes on a few rifles that didn't cost 1/4 of the glass. If you can't see it,you can't hit it!
Thank God I don't do long range and just hunt. I would be destitute if I had to buy competition glass/rings.
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Some very good advice here; .223, Savage, Laminated stock, GOOD SCOPE!!!!
If you have an accurate rifle regardless of the cost and mount a cheap scope on it you are wasting time and money.
Save up, chose carefully and don't follow the 'flavour of the month' trend. ie 1st focal plane, fussy tactical reticle, massive zoom (20x+) etc.
A max 12 power scope is fine for a .223. A Vortex, Nikon or Zeiss Conquest 3-9 with parallax adjustment is fine.
It is better to have a lower power with better optics and be able to see the target than to have a super high power scope and not be able to make out what you are looking at. Ive shot dozens of foxes with a fixed 10 power scope.
Now Ive got a $450 Zeiss Conquest 3-9 x 50 on my .223 and it is just great, clarity to die for and a practical reticle (zplex).
The .223 when sighted properly and not used beyond 300yds doesn't really need a bullet drop compensator reticle. Just sight it as per Chuck Hawks (Google it) suggestion with a rise and fall from muzzle to 230yds of no more than 1.5".Than puts the bullet in the vital area of most small to medium varmints.
Have fun.
You Americans have it all over us here in Australia with the choice, range and ease of obtaining a good rifle.

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Some very good advice here; .223, Savage, Laminated stock, GOOD SCOPE!!!!
If you have an accurate rifle regardless of the cost and mount a cheap scope on it you are wasting time and money.
Save up, chose carefully and don't follow the 'flavour of the month' trend. ie 2nd focal plane, fussy tactical reticle, massive zoom (20x+) etc.
A max 12 power scope is fine for a .223. A Vortex, Nikon or Zeiss Conquest 3-9 with parallax adjustment is fine.
It is better to have a lower power with better optics and be able to see the target than to have a super high power scope and not be able to make out what you are looking at. Ive shot dozens of foxes with a fixed 10 power scope.
Now Ive got a $450 Zeiss Conquest 3-9 x 50 on my .223 and it is just great, clarity to die for and a practical reticle (zplex).
The .223 when sighted properly and not used beyond 300yds doesn't really need a bullet drop compensator reticle. Just sight it as per Chuck Hawks (Google it) suggestion with a rise and fall from muzzle to 230yds of no more than 1.5".Than puts the bullet in the vital area of most small to medium varmints.
Have fun.
You Americans have it all over us here in Australia with the choice, range and ease of obtaining a good rifle.
Thanks for the advice on the scopes, I'm really not that experienced with them.
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Some very good advice here; .223, Savage, Laminated stock, GOOD SCOPE!!!!
If you have an accurate rifle regardless of the cost and mount a cheap scope on it you are wasting time and money.
Save up, chose carefully and don't follow the 'flavour of the month' trend. ie 2nd focal plane, fussy tactical reticle, massive zoom (20x+) etc.
A max 12 power scope is fine for a .223. A Vortex, Nikon or Zeiss Conquest 3-9 with parallax adjustment is fine.
It is better to have a lower power with better optics and be able to see the target than to have a super high power scope and not be able to make out what you are looking at. Ive shot dozens of foxes with a fixed 10 power scope.
Now Ive got a $450 Zeiss Conquest 3-9 x 50 on my .223 and it is just great, clarity to die for and a practical reticle (zplex).
The .223 when sighted properly and not used beyond 300yds doesn't really need a bullet drop compensator reticle. Just sight it as per Chuck Hawks (Google it) suggestion with a rise and fall from muzzle to 230yds of no more than 1.5".Than puts the bullet in the vital area of most small to medium varmints.
Have fun.
You Americans have it all over us here in Australia with the choice, range and ease of obtaining a good rifle.
If it were to be a dedicated hunting only rifle,a 12x max power would be fine,but if you are wanting to small varmints,or longer ranges and do it with precision,I wouldn't limit myself to a 12x scope. But,I also wouldn't buy a cheap scope either.
If you handload,you can make a cheap rifle shoot good,but you can't make a cheap scope perform better than what it's made with!

I have 6-24x optics on both my 223's,and they work great for any type of shooting/hunting I do with them.
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