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Old 12-11-2013, 01:59 AM   #1
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Default 1917 Carcano Identification questions

Friend of mine has this Carcano Carbine, and he is trying to find out the history of it. He is 99% positive that it has been modified to .308, but he shot it last about 20 years ago. He is wanting to find some new clips for it, and some ammo so that it isn't just a club in his safe. He knows it is a 1917 made in Brescia. Looking it over it looks to have been reworked in the Rome arsenal, from the brands on the stock. If anyone can give us any info on it, that's be great!













As you can see in this one, it has the "updated" bayonet lug, and there is a sling swivel for a bottom or side sling. The article I read said the updated lug meant no more bottom sling swivel, but this one has all:


Forgive the bore on the above pic, that is the fuzz from his gun sock






Here's the sites I found most informative. If anyone has any info on Carcano Rifles, please let me know!

http://personal.stevens.edu/~gliberat/carcano/models.html

https://gunsmagazine.com/web-blast-italys-mannlicher-carcano/



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The Italians made some of these rifles for the Japanese in 7.7 caliber Arisaka. The Carcano rifles have always been an enigma? If this rifle was converted to .308 I would not want to be near it when it is fired.



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Yeah, he said the fireball out the end was as big as the gun is long is long.. it was quite disturbing, and the report just rolled thru the woods... The 17(?) inch barrel didn't give enough room to burn all that charge!

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They were made in 6.5 Carcano, 7.35 Carcano and (briefly) in 8mm Mauser- and the action is not strong enuff for that. If you want to know what caliber, have a gunsmith make a chamber cast with Cerro-Safe. They also made rifles for japan and Finnland.

If that is .308, I would not shoot it. Period.



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Looks like a m/38 to me, that would have been chambered in 7.35×51mm, real close to the .308 so be careful, I would have it checked by a good smith..............

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Even with the 1917 stamped on the barrel?

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Even with the 1917 stamped on the barrel?
The more I look at it the more it looks like a 28 instead of a 38, no fixed rear sight, if thats the case then the cal. is 6.5.........I say have it looked at by a competent gun smith !...........And yes even with the 1917 stamped on the barrel. The Carcano M.1891/28 TS carbine.This is basically M.1891 TS carbine upgraded to M.1891/28 TS configuration.
The carbine displays an arsenal name and a date of production on the chamber,"Brescia 1917 & 1918". This model of Carcano was built in 6.5 mm caliber with progressive rifling.
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OK so the more we are thinking and looking at it, the 7.35 is only .013" smaller than a .308/7.62NATO. Wondering if maybe he was told wrong and he put .308 thru it. .013" isn't that much...

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Not just size, it's pressure.

Max pressure 7.35 Carcano is 51,000 psi
Max pressure 7.62 NATO is 60,000 psi.
Max pressure .308 Winchester is 62,000 psi.


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Not just size, it's pressure.

Max pressure 7.35 Carcano is 51,000 psi
Max pressure 7.62 NATO is 60,000 psi.
Max pressure .308 Winchester is 62,000 psi.


BAD juju.
Spot on do not fire it with 308 or 7.62X51 unless someone has a death wish.


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