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Old 06-28-2012, 01:31 AM   #11
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I think the 1st link is a fubar, the second is fat finger syndrome. The ammo link does list 7.65, but only 53mm.

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php/cName/765-argentine-full-metal-jacket

Note the boxes. 7.5x55 Swiss is completely different cartridge. Swiss is not 7.65. Tex, it is all good, you dispelled a common myth. Hell, even w/ 7.5x55 there are those that figure 7.5x54 is the same, but it is not. Now 7.62x54r and 7.62x53r are the same, just to add to confusion.
Now an even bigger issue. When reloading why is 7.62 standard the same bullet as 7.5 metric? One by grooves, the other by lands. Even .30-06 has questions. How could a rifle adopted in 1903 shoot a cartridge adopted in 1906?
Oops, I have no idea where I got 7.65 Swiss.

Why on earth are there so many calibers that are extremely similar?
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carbon15, Last 91 Argentine I bought was at a gunshow about 4 years ago. Think mine was one imported and sporterized for retail sales back in 60's or early 70. Paid around $160 for mine simply because the rifle and its bore was minty. Dealer had $200 Plus price tag on it. Laughed at this price and made an offer....we agreed on $160. Providing bore and chamber is good, might be worth $150, but thats debatable. It does shoot the 7.65 Argentine....7.65x53. All Argentines, 1891 and 1909 versions fired the 7.65x53 (some ammo around for it that might be labeled 7.65x54, but its probably military surplus and of questionable quality)

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Oops, I have no idea where I got 7.65 Swiss.

Why on earth are there so many calibers that are extremely similar?
You were a European country that wanted the latest and best.
French started out w/ the 8mm Lebel, the Germans followed w/ 7.92x57 (8mm).
The spitzer race soon followed. Germany switched 7.92- .318 to .323.
Switzerland developed the 7.5x55. When the French looked for a replacement for the 8mm Lebel, .30 caliber was the rage, so the adopted the 7.5x54. The 1936Mas was very compact, surdy, and accurate. If you were 400 yards infront of the muzzle of one of these carbines, you had a big problem. The French did not have all of their troops armed with the Mas at the beginning of the war(II), that was a huge issue. The rest of the world took notice of the intermediate cartridge after the war, then it became more interesting. You always take the best of what someone else developed and change it slightly so they can't use it. 7.5x55, 7.5x54 (both use .308 bullets), became 7.62x51. We took notice.
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