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carbon15man 06-25-2012 01:27 AM

1891 argentina mauser
 
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My buddy jus picked up a 1891 Argentina Mauser on a trade Nd wants to sell it for 150 the stock has been cut and modified heres a pic do you guys think it's wroth it even with the modded stock?

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HockaLouis 06-25-2012 01:49 AM

I'd say you'd really have to want it for that. Even as sporterized Milsurp it is a little of an odd caliber. Not a bad one, just unique.

carbon15man 06-25-2012 02:14 AM

So you wouldn't give 150 for it?

texaswoodworker 06-25-2012 03:08 AM

I'd get it. You can always either track down ammo for it, or reload for it. Plus, IIRC, the Argentine Mausers were extremely well made are are basically the Cadillacs of the Mausers. $150 is pretty good, especially if the bore is in good condition.

texaswoodworker 06-25-2012 03:16 AM

Here's a quick question for someone who knows more about these rifles then me. The M89 Mauser was chambered in 7.65x53mm (Argentine), but the M91 Argentine Mauser was chambered in 7.65x55mm. Why did they change the caliber? The 7.65x53mm was already a powerful round (comparable to .303 brit).

HockaLouis 06-26-2012 12:45 AM

Not unless I really wanted it, no, and I have 'em all including an Engineer's w/it's bayonet...

jpattersonnh 06-27-2012 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by texaswoodworker (Post 848490)
Here's a quick question for someone who knows more about these rifles then me. The M89 Mauser was chambered in 7.65x53mm (Argentine), but the M91 Argentine Mauser was chambered in 7.65x55mm. Why did they change the caliber? The 7.65x53mm was already a powerful round (comparable to .303 brit).

Never heard of 7.65x55. 7.65x53 was used by Argentina, Belguim, and other countries. I show no info on a 55mm case. The 53mm was designed for the '89 rifle and continued through the '91. Please post where you found out this info, I am very curious.

texaswoodworker 06-27-2012 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jpattersonnh (Post 851325)
Never heard of 7.65x55. 7.65x53 was used by Argentina, Belguim, and other countries. I show no info on a 55mm case. The 53mm was designed for the '89 rifle and continued through the '91. Please post where you found out this info, I am very curious.

Here's a few places I saw that.

http://www.cabelas.com/military-arms-1891-argentine-mauser-7-65-x-55-mm-1.shtml

http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/mausers/91060-found-argentine-mauser.html

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7.65x55 argentine is available from ammotogo.com online. I just bought 100 rounds for about 70 bucks.
I looked into it a little more, and either they were typos, or they thought the gun was chambered in 7.65x55 Swiss instead of 7.65x53 Argentine.

jpattersonnh 06-28-2012 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by texaswoodworker (Post 851337)
Here's a few places I saw that.

http://www.cabelas.com/military-arms-1891-argentine-mauser-7-65-x-55-mm-1.shtml

http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/mausers/91060-found-argentine-mauser.html



I looked into it a little more, and either they were typos, or they thought the gun was chambered in 7.65x55 Swiss instead of 7.65x53 Argentine.

I think the 1st link is a fubar, the second is fat finger syndrome. The ammo link does list 7.65, but only 53mm.

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php/cName/765-argentine-full-metal-jacket

Note the boxes. 7.5x55 Swiss is completely different cartridge. Swiss is not 7.65. Tex, it is all good, you dispelled a common myth. Hell, even w/ 7.5x55 there are those that figure 7.5x54 is the same, but it is not. Now 7.62x54r and 7.62x53r are the same, just to add to confusion.
Now an even bigger issue. When reloading why is 7.62 standard the same bullet as 7.5 metric? One by grooves, the other by lands. Even .30-06 has questions. How could a rifle adopted in 1903 shoot a cartridge adopted in 1906?

c3shooter 06-28-2012 01:13 AM

For the first 3 years, it shot the 30-03. Round nosed bullet, slight case difference.


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