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Old 01-20-2013, 04:06 PM   #21
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You might want to wait, winchester is coming out with a new .17 rimfire round, the .17 winchester super magnum.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/savage-17-winchester-super-magnum-rimfire-rifle-shot-show-2013/

At 200 yards it has the same velocity .17hmr has at 50.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/875102/winchester-varmint-high-energy-ammunition-17-winchester-super-magnum-25-grain-hornady-v-max-box-of-50


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I see that new super mag as more of a replacement for the hmr than a "in additon to" type gun, from what I find for the ballistics so far it still isn't a 300 yard gun, it will shoot that far but I wouldn't try to kill an animal at that range, that small bullet just isn't going to retain speed that well. It seems to me this is a better alternative to the hmr in that it's using a little heavier bullet and increasing the speed 600 something fps so it is going to extend the kill range over the hmr out to maybe 200ish where the hmr is considered 150-160. If they can keep ammo cost close to the same which they claim they can then I would take the Super over the hmr but for coyote sized vermin out to 300 yards I will stay with the 223 or 22-250, these I know will do the job and can be reloaded.


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Should a brand of rifle for the 17 Win Super Mag that is accurate be made , I ll get one. There is no point in getting a rifle to shoot small varmints should it group over 3/4 inch five shot groups at 100 yards. I set my ballistic calculator using a 1.5 inch point blank range with the 20 Gr bullet having a 3000 ft/sec muzzle velocity. At 100 Yds +0.02 In, at 150 Yds -1.10 In, 175 Yds -2.25 In, 200 Yds -3.82 In, 225 Yds-5.85 In, 250 Yds -8.38 In,and at 275 Yds 11.41 inches below the line of site. Most all of my shooting is at prairie dogs for which the 20 grain bullet has plenty of energy but under hunting conditions with wind and bullet drop beyond 225 yards I d use it for shots under 225 yards for most shots. Thats an increase of 75 yards over my limit of 150 yards using the 17 HMR rifle shooting the 17 grain bullet. I can hit them at longer ranges but I wont clean kills with body shots at any angle. I ll use a centerfire 17 Cal rifle for shots past 225 yards.
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I ll use a centerfire 17 Cal rifle for shots past 225 yards.
I too have been kicking around a centerfire 17, possible as a barrel for my encore, I know nothing about the world of centerfire 17, my load books don't even contain the data for them, but reloadability and superior performance to the rimfire would make them attractive to me
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Should a brand of rifle for the 17 Win Super Mag that is accurate be made , I ll get one. There is no point in getting a rifle to shoot small varmints should it group over 3/4 inch five shot groups at 100 yards. I set my ballistic calculator using a 1.5 inch point blank range with the 20 Gr bullet having a 3000 ft/sec muzzle velocity. At 100 Yds +0.02 In, at 150 Yds -1.10 In, 175 Yds -2.25 In, 200 Yds -3.82 In, 225 Yds-5.85 In, 250 Yds -8.38 In,and at 275 Yds 11.41 inches below the line of site. Most all of my shooting is at prairie dogs for which the 20 grain bullet has plenty of energy but under hunting conditions with wind and bullet drop beyond 225 yards I d use it for shots under 225 yards for most shots. Thats an increase of 75 yards over my limit of 150 yards using the 17 HMR rifle shooting the 17 grain bullet. I can hit them at longer ranges but I wont clean kills with body shots at any angle. I ll use a centerfire 17 Cal rifle for shots past 225 yards.
I bet the savage will be pretty darn accurate since they are comparing it to centerfire so much
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It is not as spectacular as the make it out to be.

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Input Data
Manufacturer: Hornady Description: V-Max
Caliber: 0.172 in Weight: 20.0 gr
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.185 G1 (ASM)
Muzzle Velocity: 3000.0 ft/s Distance to Chronograph: 10.0 ft
Sight Height: 1.50 in Sight Offset: 0.00 in
Zero Height: 0.00 in Zero Offset: 0.00 in
Windage: 0.000 MOA Elevation: 0.000 MOA
Line Of Sight Angle: 0.0 deg Cant Angle: 0.0 deg
Wind Speed: 0.0 mph Wind Angle: 90.0 deg
Target Speed: 0.0 mph Target Angle: 90.0 deg
Target Height: 12.0 in
Temperature: 59.0 °F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg
Humidity: 0 % Altitude: 0.0 ft
Vital Zone Radius: 5.0 in
Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No Pressure is Corrected: Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No Target Relative Drops: Yes
Mark Sound Barrier Crossing: No Include Extra Rows: No
Column 1 Units: 1.00 in Column 2 Units: 1.00 MOA
Round Output to Whole Numbers: No
Output Data
Elevation: 3.499 MOA Windage: 0.000 MOA
Atmospheric Density: 0.07647 lb/ft³ Speed of Sound: 1116.4 ft/s
Maximum PBR: 304 yd Maximum PBR Zero: 263 yd
Range of Maximum Height: 152 yd Energy at Maximum PBR: 117.1 ft•lbs
Sectional Density: 0.097 lb/in²
Calculated Table
RangeDrop Drop Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yd) (in) (MOA)(in) (MOA)(ft/s) (none)(ft•lbs) (s) (in) (MOA)
0 -1.5 *** 0.0 *** 3018.2 2.703 404.5 0.000 0.0 ***
50 -0.2 -0.3 0.0 0.0 2753.2 2.466 336.6 0.052 0.0 0.0
100 -0.0 -0.0 0.0 0.0 2503.3 2.242 278.2 0.109 0.0 0.0
150 -1.2 -0.8 0.0 0.0 2266.9 2.030 228.2 0.172 0.0 0.0
200 -4.1 -2.0 0.0 0.0 2043.4 1.830 185.4 0.242 0.0 0.0
250 -9.1 -3.5 0.0 0.0 1833.4 1.642 149.3 0.319 0.0 0.0
300 -16.7 -5.3 0.0 0.0 1638.9 1.468 119.3 0.406 0.0 0.0
350 -27.6 -7.5 0.0 0.0 1462.5 1.310 95.0 0.503 0.0 0.0
400 -42.5 -10.1 0.0 0.0 1308.4 1.172 76.0 0.611 0.0 0.0
450 -62.5 -13.3 0.0 0.0 1181.2 1.058 62.0 0.732 0.0 0.0
500 -88.8 -17.0 0.0 0.0 1084.7 0.972 52.2 0.865 0.0 0.0


.17HMR 2374mv

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RangeDrop Drop Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yd) (in) (MOA)(in) (MOA)(ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (in) (MOA)
0 -1.5 *** 0.0 *** 2389.8 2.140 253.6 0.000 0.0 ***
50 0.2 0.4 0.0 0.0 2159.5 1.934 207.1 0.066 0.0 0.0
100 -0.0 -0.0 0.0 0.0 1942.2 1.740 167.5 0.139 0.0 0.0
150 -2.5 -1.6 0.0 0.0 1739.2 1.558 134.3 0.221 0.0 0.0
200 -7.9 -3.8 0.0 0.0 1552.8 1.391 107.1 0.312 0.0 0.0
250 -16.9 -6.5 0.0 0.0 1386.4 1.242 85.3 0.415 0.0 0.0

.223 55gr Vmax

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Input Data
Manufacturer: Hornady Description: V-Max™
Caliber: 0.224 in Weight: 55.0 gr
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.255 G1 (ASM)
Muzzle Velocity: 3200.0 ft/s Distance to Chronograph: 10.0 ft
Sight Height: 1.50 in Sight Offset: 0.00 in
Zero Height: 0.00 in Zero Offset: 0.00 in
Windage: 0.000 MOA Elevation: 0.000 MOA
Line Of Sight Angle: 0.0 deg Cant Angle: 0.0 deg
Wind Speed: 0.0 mph Wind Angle: 90.0 deg
Target Speed: 0.0 mph Target Angle: 90.0 deg
Target Height: 12.0 in
Temperature: 59.0 °F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg
Humidity: 0 % Altitude: 0.0 ft
Vital Zone Radius: 5.0 in
Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No Pressure is Corrected: Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No Target Relative Drops: Yes
Mark Sound Barrier Crossing: No Include Extra Rows: No
Column 1 Units: 1.00 in Column 2 Units: 1.00 MOA
Round Output to Whole Numbers: No
Output Data
Elevation: 3.188 MOA Windage: 0.000 MOA
Atmospheric Density: 0.07647 lb/ft³ Speed of Sound: 1116.4 ft/s
Maximum PBR: 346 yd Maximum PBR Zero: 298 yd
Range of Maximum Height: 169 yd Energy at Maximum PBR: 476.0 ft•lbs
Sectional Density: 0.157 lb/in²
Calculated Table
RangeDrop Drop Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yd) (in) (MOA) (in) (MOA) (ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (in) (MOA)
0 -1.5 *** 0.0 *** 3213.8 2.879 1261.2 0.000 0.0 ***
50 -0.3 -0.5 0.0 0.0 3011.0 2.697 1107.0 0.048 0.0 0.0
100 -0.0 -0.0 0.0 0.0 2817.5 2.524 969.3 0.100 0.0 0.0
150 -0.8 -0.5 0.0 0.0 2632.2 2.358 846.0 0.155 0.0 0.0
200 -2.9 -1.4 0.0 0.0 2454.4 2.198 735.5 0.214 0.0 0.0
250 -6.4 -2.5 0.0 0.0 2283.5 2.045 636.7 0.277 0.0 0.0
300 -11.6 -3.7 0.0 0.0 2119.3 1.898 548.4 0.345 0.0 0.0
350 -18.8 -5.1 0.0 0.0 1962.1 1.757 470.1 0.419 0.0 0.0
400 -28.2 -6.7 0.0 0.0 1812.4 1.623 401.1 0.498 0.0 0.0
450 -40.2 -8.5 0.0 0.0 1670.7 1.496 340.8 0.585 0.0 0.0
500 -55.4 -10.6 0.0 0.0 1538.4 1.378 289.0 0.678 0.0 0.0
550 -74.2 -12.9 0.0 0.0 1416.8 1.269 245.1 0.780 0.0 0.0
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It is not as spectacular as the make it out to be.

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Input Data
Manufacturer: Hornady Description: V-Max
Caliber: 0.172 in Weight: 20.0 gr
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.185 G1 (ASM)
Muzzle Velocity: 3000.0 ft/s Distance to Chronograph: 10.0 ft
Sight Height: 1.50 in Sight Offset: 0.00 in
Zero Height: 0.00 in Zero Offset: 0.00 in
Windage: 0.000 MOA Elevation: 0.000 MOA
Line Of Sight Angle: 0.0 deg Cant Angle: 0.0 deg
Wind Speed: 0.0 mph Wind Angle: 90.0 deg
Target Speed: 0.0 mph Target Angle: 90.0 deg
Target Height: 12.0 in
Temperature: 59.0 °F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg
Humidity: 0 % Altitude: 0.0 ft
Vital Zone Radius: 5.0 in
Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No Pressure is Corrected: Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No Target Relative Drops: Yes
Mark Sound Barrier Crossing: No Include Extra Rows: No
Column 1 Units: 1.00 in Column 2 Units: 1.00 MOA
Round Output to Whole Numbers: No
Output Data
Elevation: 3.499 MOA Windage: 0.000 MOA
Atmospheric Density: 0.07647 lb/ft³ Speed of Sound: 1116.4 ft/s
Maximum PBR: 304 yd Maximum PBR Zero: 263 yd
Range of Maximum Height: 152 yd Energy at Maximum PBR: 117.1 ft•lbs
Sectional Density: 0.097 lb/in²
Calculated Table
RangeDrop Drop Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yd) (in) (MOA)(in) (MOA)(ft/s) (none)(ft•lbs) (s) (in) (MOA)
0 -1.5 *** 0.0 *** 3018.2 2.703 404.5 0.000 0.0 ***
50 -0.2 -0.3 0.0 0.0 2753.2 2.466 336.6 0.052 0.0 0.0
100 -0.0 -0.0 0.0 0.0 2503.3 2.242 278.2 0.109 0.0 0.0
150 -1.2 -0.8 0.0 0.0 2266.9 2.030 228.2 0.172 0.0 0.0
200 -4.1 -2.0 0.0 0.0 2043.4 1.830 185.4 0.242 0.0 0.0
250 -9.1 -3.5 0.0 0.0 1833.4 1.642 149.3 0.319 0.0 0.0
300 -16.7 -5.3 0.0 0.0 1638.9 1.468 119.3 0.406 0.0 0.0
350 -27.6 -7.5 0.0 0.0 1462.5 1.310 95.0 0.503 0.0 0.0
400 -42.5 -10.1 0.0 0.0 1308.4 1.172 76.0 0.611 0.0 0.0
450 -62.5 -13.3 0.0 0.0 1181.2 1.058 62.0 0.732 0.0 0.0
500 -88.8 -17.0 0.0 0.0 1084.7 0.972 52.2 0.865 0.0 0.0

.17HMR 2374mv

Calculated Table
RangeDrop Drop Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yd) (in) (MOA)(in) (MOA)(ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (in) (MOA)
0 -1.5 *** 0.0 *** 2389.8 2.140 253.6 0.000 0.0 ***
50 0.2 0.4 0.0 0.0 2159.5 1.934 207.1 0.066 0.0 0.0
100 -0.0 -0.0 0.0 0.0 1942.2 1.740 167.5 0.139 0.0 0.0
150 -2.5 -1.6 0.0 0.0 1739.2 1.558 134.3 0.221 0.0 0.0
200 -7.9 -3.8 0.0 0.0 1552.8 1.391 107.1 0.312 0.0 0.0
250 -16.9 -6.5 0.0 0.0 1386.4 1.242 85.3 0.415 0.0 0.0

.223 55gr Vmax

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Input Data
Manufacturer: Hornady Description: V-Max™
Caliber: 0.224 in Weight: 55.0 gr
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.255 G1 (ASM)
Muzzle Velocity: 3200.0 ft/s Distance to Chronograph: 10.0 ft
Sight Height: 1.50 in Sight Offset: 0.00 in
Zero Height: 0.00 in Zero Offset: 0.00 in
Windage: 0.000 MOA Elevation: 0.000 MOA
Line Of Sight Angle: 0.0 deg Cant Angle: 0.0 deg
Wind Speed: 0.0 mph Wind Angle: 90.0 deg
Target Speed: 0.0 mph Target Angle: 90.0 deg
Target Height: 12.0 in
Temperature: 59.0 °F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg
Humidity: 0 % Altitude: 0.0 ft
Vital Zone Radius: 5.0 in
Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No Pressure is Corrected: Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No Target Relative Drops: Yes
Mark Sound Barrier Crossing: No Include Extra Rows: No
Column 1 Units: 1.00 in Column 2 Units: 1.00 MOA
Round Output to Whole Numbers: No
Output Data
Elevation: 3.188 MOA Windage: 0.000 MOA
Atmospheric Density: 0.07647 lb/ft³ Speed of Sound: 1116.4 ft/s
Maximum PBR: 346 yd Maximum PBR Zero: 298 yd
Range of Maximum Height: 169 yd Energy at Maximum PBR: 476.0 ft•lbs
Sectional Density: 0.157 lb/in²
Calculated Table
RangeDrop Drop Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yd) (in) (MOA) (in) (MOA) (ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (in) (MOA)
0 -1.5 *** 0.0 *** 3213.8 2.879 1261.2 0.000 0.0 ***
50 -0.3 -0.5 0.0 0.0 3011.0 2.697 1107.0 0.048 0.0 0.0
100 -0.0 -0.0 0.0 0.0 2817.5 2.524 969.3 0.100 0.0 0.0
150 -0.8 -0.5 0.0 0.0 2632.2 2.358 846.0 0.155 0.0 0.0
200 -2.9 -1.4 0.0 0.0 2454.4 2.198 735.5 0.214 0.0 0.0
250 -6.4 -2.5 0.0 0.0 2283.5 2.045 636.7 0.277 0.0 0.0
300 -11.6 -3.7 0.0 0.0 2119.3 1.898 548.4 0.345 0.0 0.0
350 -18.8 -5.1 0.0 0.0 1962.1 1.757 470.1 0.419 0.0 0.0
400 -28.2 -6.7 0.0 0.0 1812.4 1.623 401.1 0.498 0.0 0.0
450 -40.2 -8.5 0.0 0.0 1670.7 1.496 340.8 0.585 0.0 0.0
500 -55.4 -10.6 0.0 0.0 1538.4 1.378 289.0 0.678 0.0 0.0
550 -74.2 -12.9 0.0 0.0 1416.8 1.269 245.1 0.780 0.0 0.0
Not sure about that, it is pretty impressive compared to the 17hmr. Might just take over the 17 market.
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It is not as spectacular as the make it out to be.

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Input Data
Manufacturer: Hornady Description: V-Max
Caliber: 0.172 in Weight: 20.0 gr
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.185 G1 (ASM)
Muzzle Velocity: 3000.0 ft/s Distance to Chronograph: 10.0 ft
Sight Height: 1.50 in Sight Offset: 0.00 in
Zero Height: 0.00 in Zero Offset: 0.00 in
Windage: 0.000 MOA Elevation: 0.000 MOA
Line Of Sight Angle: 0.0 deg Cant Angle: 0.0 deg
Wind Speed: 0.0 mph Wind Angle: 90.0 deg
Target Speed: 0.0 mph Target Angle: 90.0 deg
Target Height: 12.0 in
Temperature: 59.0 °F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg
Humidity: 0 % Altitude: 0.0 ft
Vital Zone Radius: 5.0 in
Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No Pressure is Corrected: Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No Target Relative Drops: Yes
Mark Sound Barrier Crossing: No Include Extra Rows: No
Column 1 Units: 1.00 in Column 2 Units: 1.00 MOA
Round Output to Whole Numbers: No
Output Data
Elevation: 3.499 MOA Windage: 0.000 MOA
Atmospheric Density: 0.07647 lb/ft³ Speed of Sound: 1116.4 ft/s
Maximum PBR: 304 yd Maximum PBR Zero: 263 yd
Range of Maximum Height: 152 yd Energy at Maximum PBR: 117.1 ft•lbs
Sectional Density: 0.097 lb/in²
Calculated Table
RangeDrop Drop Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yd) (in) (MOA)(in) (MOA)(ft/s) (none)(ft•lbs) (s) (in) (MOA)
0 -1.5 *** 0.0 *** 3018.2 2.703 404.5 0.000 0.0 ***
50 -0.2 -0.3 0.0 0.0 2753.2 2.466 336.6 0.052 0.0 0.0
100 -0.0 -0.0 0.0 0.0 2503.3 2.242 278.2 0.109 0.0 0.0
150 -1.2 -0.8 0.0 0.0 2266.9 2.030 228.2 0.172 0.0 0.0
200 -4.1 -2.0 0.0 0.0 2043.4 1.830 185.4 0.242 0.0 0.0
250 -9.1 -3.5 0.0 0.0 1833.4 1.642 149.3 0.319 0.0 0.0
300 -16.7 -5.3 0.0 0.0 1638.9 1.468 119.3 0.406 0.0 0.0
350 -27.6 -7.5 0.0 0.0 1462.5 1.310 95.0 0.503 0.0 0.0
400 -42.5 -10.1 0.0 0.0 1308.4 1.172 76.0 0.611 0.0 0.0
450 -62.5 -13.3 0.0 0.0 1181.2 1.058 62.0 0.732 0.0 0.0
500 -88.8 -17.0 0.0 0.0 1084.7 0.972 52.2 0.865 0.0 0.0

.17HMR 2374mv

Calculated Table
RangeDrop Drop Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yd) (in) (MOA)(in) (MOA)(ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (in) (MOA)
0 -1.5 *** 0.0 *** 2389.8 2.140 253.6 0.000 0.0 ***
50 0.2 0.4 0.0 0.0 2159.5 1.934 207.1 0.066 0.0 0.0
100 -0.0 -0.0 0.0 0.0 1942.2 1.740 167.5 0.139 0.0 0.0
150 -2.5 -1.6 0.0 0.0 1739.2 1.558 134.3 0.221 0.0 0.0
200 -7.9 -3.8 0.0 0.0 1552.8 1.391 107.1 0.312 0.0 0.0
250 -16.9 -6.5 0.0 0.0 1386.4 1.242 85.3 0.415 0.0 0.0

.223 55gr Vmax

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Input Data
Manufacturer: Hornady Description: V-Max™
Caliber: 0.224 in Weight: 55.0 gr
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.255 G1 (ASM)
Muzzle Velocity: 3200.0 ft/s Distance to Chronograph: 10.0 ft
Sight Height: 1.50 in Sight Offset: 0.00 in
Zero Height: 0.00 in Zero Offset: 0.00 in
Windage: 0.000 MOA Elevation: 0.000 MOA
Line Of Sight Angle: 0.0 deg Cant Angle: 0.0 deg
Wind Speed: 0.0 mph Wind Angle: 90.0 deg
Target Speed: 0.0 mph Target Angle: 90.0 deg
Target Height: 12.0 in
Temperature: 59.0 °F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg
Humidity: 0 % Altitude: 0.0 ft
Vital Zone Radius: 5.0 in
Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No Pressure is Corrected: Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No Target Relative Drops: Yes
Mark Sound Barrier Crossing: No Include Extra Rows: No
Column 1 Units: 1.00 in Column 2 Units: 1.00 MOA
Round Output to Whole Numbers: No
Output Data
Elevation: 3.188 MOA Windage: 0.000 MOA
Atmospheric Density: 0.07647 lb/ft³ Speed of Sound: 1116.4 ft/s
Maximum PBR: 346 yd Maximum PBR Zero: 298 yd
Range of Maximum Height: 169 yd Energy at Maximum PBR: 476.0 ft•lbs
Sectional Density: 0.157 lb/in²
Calculated Table
RangeDrop Drop Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yd) (in) (MOA) (in) (MOA) (ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (in) (MOA)
0 -1.5 *** 0.0 *** 3213.8 2.879 1261.2 0.000 0.0 ***
50 -0.3 -0.5 0.0 0.0 3011.0 2.697 1107.0 0.048 0.0 0.0
100 -0.0 -0.0 0.0 0.0 2817.5 2.524 969.3 0.100 0.0 0.0
150 -0.8 -0.5 0.0 0.0 2632.2 2.358 846.0 0.155 0.0 0.0
200 -2.9 -1.4 0.0 0.0 2454.4 2.198 735.5 0.214 0.0 0.0
250 -6.4 -2.5 0.0 0.0 2283.5 2.045 636.7 0.277 0.0 0.0
300 -11.6 -3.7 0.0 0.0 2119.3 1.898 548.4 0.345 0.0 0.0
350 -18.8 -5.1 0.0 0.0 1962.1 1.757 470.1 0.419 0.0 0.0
400 -28.2 -6.7 0.0 0.0 1812.4 1.623 401.1 0.498 0.0 0.0
450 -40.2 -8.5 0.0 0.0 1670.7 1.496 340.8 0.585 0.0 0.0
500 -55.4 -10.6 0.0 0.0 1538.4 1.378 289.0 0.678 0.0 0.0
550 -74.2 -12.9 0.0 0.0 1416.8 1.269 245.1 0.780 0.0 0.0
An also u throw in a 223 vs the 17 in there well duhh, of course its not gonna stack up, rolleyes:
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Not sure about that, it is pretty impressive compared to the 17hmr. Might just take over the 17 market.
From the ballistics info I've seen so far, I agree as it may just replace the hmr, it has a little better ballistics but not so much better as to fill 2 separate niches in my collection, to me they both do the same thing in the end, one just does it slightly better so if I were in the market and they were both available in a rifle I wanted I would go to the Super and skip the hmr. The Super still doesn't get the nod as a reliable coyote sized varmint rifle from me, I'd just use them to pop crows and woodchucks and such. Don't get me wrong, it will kill the heck out of a yote under 100 yds I'm sure, but at close range my choice is 12 ga and 4buck, beyond that I want a centerfire rifle.
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An also u throw in a 223 vs the 17 in there well duhh, of course its not gonna stack up, rolleyes:
You can also throw in the .17 Hornet.


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