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aikimo 03-29-2013 12:27 AM

why is the h&k forum so dead?
 
Dear all,

Compared to the other forums, this one seems to be very dead. Why? Is there less to talk about? Besides my p30, i also have a Glock, and that forum constantly has a lot of interesting posts about glocks..

Is there less to talk about in the h&k world?

Best to all of my fellow h&k owners
Mo

MattShlock 03-29-2013 12:41 AM

H&K is a shadow of its former self in the US unfortunataly as you can probably tell not just from this forum but from people who talk about the H&K's they own and/or use. New Detonics. Wildey. Dan Wesson. H&K?

CrazedJava 03-29-2013 02:48 PM

HK's are expensive, so thus fewer owners.

I love HK's myself, but can't justify the cost and regardless of ownership what is there to discuss about the USP or the HK 45 that hasn't already been said?

2manyhobbies 03-29-2013 05:06 PM

and add Glock an inferior gun gets all the press, I mean every time you hear the words ND and Cop you see a Glock ;-)

and just like in Sears, you have
1911.. good
Glock... better
HK... Best!!!

Unfortunately almost every one wants cheap and reliability is sort of a secondary issue so they go and buy a Taurus, CZ, or something like that....

Am I a HK snob??? nope I have Taurus, CZ, S&W, and a few others., I just recognize quality and reliability when I use it...

Jagermeister 03-29-2013 05:12 PM

I am on the other forums talking about my USP. Keeps me busy. Not sure what to put on the HK forum, since we all know their guns are badass. Need to spread the gospel to the others.

CrazedJava 03-29-2013 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2manyhobbies (Post 1195538)
Am I a HK snob??? nope I have Taurus, CZ, S&W, and a few others., I just recognize quality and reliability when I use it...

Never known a CZ to have reliability issues.

I think this is an ongoing failing with HK though. Great brand and I consider HK and SIG to be the premium brands for handguns, but for less money you have the Magnum Research Jericho/Baby Eagle series which are every bit as reliable and possibly just as accurate.

Or you have Rugers which may be even more reliable and probably accurate enough for 90% of most shooters for just over a third of the cost.

SIG at least offered the SIGPro (and now 2022) series which are lower cost but still excellent pistols. HK needs something similar.

Jagermeister 03-29-2013 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aikimo (Post 1194757)
Dear all,

Compared to the other forums, this one seems to be very dead. Why? Is there less to talk about? Besides my p30, i also have a Glock, and that forum constantly has a lot of interesting posts about glocks..

Is there less to talk about in the h&k world?

Best to all of my fellow h&k owners
Mo

I put this also in HK forum.


aikimo 03-30-2013 03:00 AM

Just watched the video. Excellent video.. Thanks.

kbd512 03-30-2013 03:27 AM

There are a number of reasons why HK firearms are not popular anymore.

1. Price - Even way back when HK started importing firearms into the US, their prices were always a pretty penny and there was nothing so spectacular about any of their products that warranted the prices.

2. Availability - HK parts and firearms are not easy to come by. I have owned just 3 HK firearms in my life (1st - HK-91, 2nd - HK USP 45, 3rd - HK P9S 45). All of those firearms were extremely expensive in comparison to competitive products and none of them were particularly special, apart from the P9S.

3. Attitude - There is the perception that HK does not want to have civilians purchase their products. I'm not sure where people get this, as the few times I called customer support for spare parts the reps were very courteous and helpful but that seems to be what a lot of people think.

HK doesn't make roller lockers anymore, apart from the MP-5, which is LEO/MIL only. That was HK's claim to fame and for people who thought the roller lockers were pretty neat, the parts supply is all but gone (apart from domestically produced copies).

How can you have an enthusiastic customer base for firearms that you can't get spare parts, magazines, or accessories for? For most civilians, the HK guns are curiosities, even though HK makes tough, functional products.

Let's look at an example of a case in point:

MR556A1 - HK produced a 9 pound AR with no chrome lined barrel, a special tool required to disassemble, special operating parts that you can only get from HK, a butt pad that can unlock if you rotate the gun on your shoulder, and enough metal on the front of the gun that it feels like it's gonna tip over your support hand. It costs 3X or more than a Colt AR-15 and you'll only benefit from the piston system if you have a habit of dragging your gun through the mud or firing it under water. Seriously, what's not to like about that?

Is the MR556A1 a quality weapon? Sure, but most of the features that the majority of shooters would expect from an AR aren't present with the HK variant.

HK markets their products using exclusivity tactics and prices that exclude a lot of potential customers. Well, when it comes down to it when you start excluding potential customers you start shrinking the enthusiast base.

For the 3K+ that a HK-91 costs, which you can no longer buy from HK, you can purchase a superb civilian M14 copy that shoots more accurately, is easier to purchase replacement parts for, and is just as durable as a HK rifle.

I really enjoyed my HK products while I had them and thought the world of them, but I'll probably never buy another.

2manyhobbies 03-31-2013 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazedJava (Post 1195731)
Never known a CZ to have reliability issues.

I think this is an ongoing failing with HK though. Great brand and I consider HK and SIG to be the premium brands for handguns, but for less money you have the Magnum Research Jericho/Baby Eagle series which are every bit as reliable and possibly just as accurate.

Or you have Rugers which may be even more reliable and probably accurate enough for 90% of most shooters for just over a third of the cost.

SIG at least offered the SIGPro (and now 2022) series which are lower cost but still excellent pistols. HK needs something similar.

Have a CZ 100 a genuine POJ, poor corrosion resistance, poor accuracy, not a gun to rely on...:eek:


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