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Old 02-24-2013, 08:31 PM   #71
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here's my question - how is the .40 a compromise? I have seen that statement throughout this thread and scratch my head. It's larger than a 9mm, smaller than a .45acp. You can double-stack to increase capacity in a .45 but the result is a handle fatter than a can of beer. Not ideal for medium to smaller size hands.
easy answer. i will use my XDm40 as the example for this comparison. the XDm in 9mm FS holds 19 rounds, the 40 holds 16 rounds and the 45 holds 13 rounds. in a compact, the 9mm holds 13, the 40 holds 11 and the 45 holds 9. both pistols the XDm and the XDmC are two examples of a platform that though different in calibers, external dimensions are the same. many pistol makers are doing the same thing. same size pistol, having different ammo capacity based on caliber.

taken from Hornady's website.

the 9mm with a 124 gr XTP bullet MV/ME 1110/339

the 40 S&W with a 165 gr FTX bullet MV/ME 1175/506

the 45 ACP with a 200 gr XTP bullet MV/ME 900/360
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So what you're saying is that you believe that most departments do not field and torture test each possible weapons platform and caliber before the choose it?
i don't really know for sure. my answer was strictly an opinion and speculation.

if a department is picking from five different brands that past these so-called torture tests, if they even do such a thing, and all pass, my opinion is they will go with the lowest bidder. simple economics.

the town i live close to has a population of a little over 18,000 people with about 26,000 county wide. most of the officers in the SD and the PD carry their own firearms. some carry Glocks, a few carry 1911's, Beretta's, and a couple of the lder ones carry revolvers. we even have a constable that carrys a SAA revolver in 45 Colt!

i am sure in some of the larger cities where the PD are much larger and they issue duty weapons, they have people who make decisions on what the officers will carry.
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easy answer. i will use my XDm40 as the example for this comparison. the XDm in 9mm FS holds 19 rounds, the 40 holds 16 rounds and the 45 holds 13 rounds. in a compact, the 9mm holds 13, the 40 holds 11 and the 45 holds 9.

taken from Hornady's website.

the 9mm with a 124 gr XTP bullet MV/ME 1110/339

the 40 S&W with a 165 gr FTX bullet MV/ME 1175/506

the 45 ACP with a 200 gr XTP bullet MV/ME 900/360
^this is why I chose a .40 for my first handgun
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^this is why I chose a .40 for my first handgun
i like the 40 myself. my choices of handgun calibers is varied and i have several handguns that i use.

but i will stress this. shot placement will trump caliber anytime. several well placed shots with even a 380 are better than misses with a 45. simply put, practice, practice, practice and then practice some more. become a good shooter with your choice irregardless of what you choose.
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We are lucky to live where someone can, and should, buy the firearm of their choice (at least for now).
Personally, .44 spl./mag., .45 Colt, and .45 ACP are it. I do like .38 and .22 for plinking.

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The 40 was a compromise. The FBI did a lot of testing and settled on the 10mm but their agents could not handle the recoil. The 10mm load was reduced so S&W came up with the 40 which duplicated the 10mm reduced load. Since that time there have been a lot of advancements in bullet technology so the advantages over the 9mm have shrunk. The 40 is a high pressure cartridge and does have a sharp recoil impulse in a light gun. It might be a little unpleasant but it is controllable. I had one of the original 40SV S&W pistols and it was not bad to shoot. I made the mistake of buying a G23 which I absolutely did not like part of it being the Glocks just dont fit me. The best handling 40 I have shot was the Steyr M40.
The large caliber stopping power reputation came about before the advent of modern HP ammunition. I would rather have a 45 than a 9mm if I had to rely on hardball. Then bigger is better. The 357 gained its reputation with a very fast light bullet (1500fpsx125grx4"). +P+ 9mm loads come close to the 357 and then there is the 357 Sig which is a 40 necked down to 357. Still 9mm. That said, my wife and I each have an SR9c and yes I do have a couple of 45's but no 1911's. I really dont know why I keep the 45's.

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Just a guess on my part Tack, but if the S actually does HTF, the weapons that shoot the various cartridges you mention will likely be "found" too.
Shhh DONN!

The "scrounge factor and the excuse of "I dont have 1 in this caliber" has added several guns to my collection.

Now pipe down before you screw it up for me!

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I own a XD40 and my duty weapon is a Glock 22 and I really like them both. My other favorite rounds are.22 and 12 ga

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One of the reasons the .40 came to be was that the mfgrs could fit the guts and barrel for a .40 into the same size frame and slide as a 9MM. Economically beneficial to them, while making a little bit bigger caliber available. The .40's expand pretty well, and some examples do better than some .45 bullets. But the .40 is somewhat anaologous to the .41 magnum, which is/was also a mid-sized caliber. The .41 mag was intended for use by police, who at the time were carrying .357 mag. The .41 mag had a little bit less recoil than a .44 mag, but was bigger than a .357. However, the increased recoil was more of a detriment than the increased size was beneficial. And the would-be "macho hero's" stuck with the .44 mag until the .454 Casull, .500 mag, etc was available and they could brag about shooting them. But even so, the .41 mag turned out to be a great round for hunting. So it still has a cult of people who use it for hunting. The .40 is similar, in that people who already have 9MM see no reason to make a small upgrade, and the "macho" types will stick to the .45. But the .40 is a perfectly good calibber, and will be around for a long time.

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Wonder why the police force uses it then? This is something I must research, confusing as to why officers carry such a useless round.....
Police never pick guns because of effectiveness and or quality. Its always what is cheapest. To get police to use glocks, glock practically gave the guns away for free just to get into the system.

Police forces didnt switch from revolver to semi for any other reason than it was cheaper to field a bunch of semis than it was to rearm with revolvers.

Ammo choice is the same. Whomever is selling 40short and weak to the gubbment and police simply undercut competitor bidding.

Its got nothing to do with anything but money. Picking a gun and caliber based off what a beuracrat picks is foolhardy at best. If you have honest opinions besides that and you like it thats ok.
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