Originally Posted by JonM
Police never pick guns because of effectiveness and or quality. Its always what is cheapest. To get police to use glocks, glock practically gave the guns away for free just to get into the system.
Police forces didnt switch from revolver to semi for any other reason than it was cheaper to field a bunch of semis than it was to rearm with revolvers.
Ammo choice is the same. Whomever is selling 40short and weak to the gubbment and police simply undercut competitor bidding.
Its got nothing to do with anything but money. Picking a gun and caliber based off what a beuracrat picks is foolhardy at best. If you have honest opinions besides that and you like it thats ok.
I'm sorry, but have to respectfully disagree. Until recent years the NYPD made recruits pay for both uniforms and their weapons. The only things issued were a shield and cap device. They even made you pay for the badge pin, which was 25 cents. Their cost for equipping the recruits was actually peanuts. Today they supply everything and make sure quality is excellent. You can't put people out on the street with poor equipment, cause in a 35,000 member dept it won't last and replacement is more costly all around. It also can become dangerous, I know. The officers do get a yearly uniform allowance to maintain their equipment.
After 3 years the gun becomes yours, but the dept armorer does the repairs and replaces defective magazines. In some cases weapons are returned to the manufacturer for repair, or replacement. They recently disallowed the Kahr 9mm for off duty carry, because they said they had too many accidental discharges and the company refused to stiffen the trigger pull. The Glocks, Smiths and Sigs are the only authorized service weapons and cost of the weapons have nothing to do with it. They were selected for their quality after a great amount of testing. Believe me they just love to test.
It is true that money stopped them from switching over from revolvers years ago, but it wasn't the cost of the weapons. It was fear of lawsuits being filed. They believed then and believe now that automatics, which fire faster and have a greater ammo capacity, have a greater chance of being involved in incidents where more innocent bystanders, as well as other cops, might get shot by a stray bullet. It's as simple as that. Bad publicity and big payouts scare the crap out of them. Also, perpetrators with multiple gun shot wounds looks bad in the mainstream news.
Naturally depts do have budgets and their costs are monitored by the politicians. It's been shown over and over that when times are getting tuff it's security(police) that are cut first, but switching over to the .40 from the 9mm has nothing to do with saving money. In my county they're switching over and so is the adjoining county. The .40 is a better man stopper than the 9mm. Many times bigger and slower is better than faster and noisier, but the ballistics experts on here can better discuss that.