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Old 04-02-2013, 07:35 PM   #1
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Default Sig Short Reset Trigger (SRT) problems?

I am starting to evaluate P226 / P229 options for my future 9mm purchase...

I have been trying to figure out what the SRT interaction with the "safety" Sigs is..

I have read of a problem.. but haven't found (usually good at searches) a good definative post detailing of what the problem is.. and if it has been fixed ...

I have even seen some after market trigger updates that referenced the SRT safety issue...

Pointers to a good link about it or personal info would be appreciated...

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I am starting to evaluate P226 / P229 options for my future 9mm purchase...

I have been trying to figure out what the SRT interaction with the "safety" Sigs is..

I have read of a problem.. but haven't found (usually good at searches) a good definative post detailing of what the problem is.. and if it has been fixed ...

I have even seen some after market trigger updates that referenced the SRT safety issue...

Pointers to a good link about it or personal info would be appreciated...
I'm not aware of any issues with Sig's SRT and as far as I know most if not all Sig designs with the SRT do not include an actual safety but a decocker.I have the SRT on my 226 and have had 0 issues and have found it of great benefit to my shooting.
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Where did you hear there was a problem with the SRT as it relates to the safety. Considering that the SIGs don't have a manual safety it's odd. Sounds more like salesman BS to me. My SIG P229r E2 has the SRT and there isn't a single problem with mine. The decocker works fine. And as long as you decock the pistol when you are about to remove the slide you should have no problems with the SRT whatsoever.

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I found a thread outside of comment made on site selling alternative modifications...

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=5&f=14&t=132638
One poster wrote...
"If you want to see how it feels - pull your slide off and reset the trigger by manually resetting the safety lever. This is what the SRT does, it disables the safety lever by keeping the firing pin safety depressed. However, it does disable one of the three internal safeties in the gun after the trigger is pulled and not fully released. But as soon as the trigger is fully released, all 3 safeties are active again, so it does not make the weapon unsafe in my opinion. Don't let that scare you, but it is one of the reasons a lot of agencies don't allow the SRT. No brass has the balls to say, "Yes, we authorized a modification to disable one of the internal safety mechanisms of the pistol."

Still looking for more info.. being new to gun ownership safety for me is a key

I know and have seen video of a the long reset problem the SRT has.. and am trying to figure out if that would make this short term change in how the internal safety mechanisms work an issue

I know the Sig 226 style is disigned to be carried ready to fire with no safety like they added on the mosquito.. etc.. now just trying to decide if the SRT is a plus or a minus for me..

Probably not an issue as I am not planning on carrying.. but still I tend to like to understand things like this before I buy.

UPDATE.. Here is the best explaination I just found....
http://www.m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=311362&postcount=9
"What's happening internally: Normally, when you depress the trigger on a DA/SA SIG pistol the firing pin block is pushed out of the way (allow the firing pin to slam past) and then the firing pin block falls down into its blocking position again. The reason the standard gun's reset is so long, then, is because the trigger bar needs to move forward far enough to reset and re-push the firing pin block again. The SRT uses a different safety lever which keeps the firing pin block in the out-of-the-way position through the entire slide cycle, so when the gun comes back into battery all you need to do is reset the trigger bar/sear connection ... which is much shorter.

You can feel what an SRT is like with any SIG. Clear the gun; verify it's clear; remove the slide & barrel; pull the trigger and hold it back; press down on the disconnector (the little arm sticking up from the trigger bar near the right grip panel) while keeping the trigger fully depressed; cock the hammer while keeping the trigger fully depressed; then let the trigger forward until you feel/hear the click. It's a lot shorter. Why? You reset the sear without having to deal with the firing pin block mechanism in the slide.

Some folks have suggested that the SRT is dangerous because it deactivates the firing pin block as long as the trigger is pressed. That, I submit to you, is stupid. The firing pin block is deactivated only after the gun has already been fired the first time and only as long as you keep the trigger pressed. So while I suppose one could say "what if something slams into the gun hard enough to jolt the firing pin with enough inertia in just the right direction that it sets off the primer?" I think you'd almost certainly drop the gun if by some ridiculous bad chance the gun was struck that hard. And if you drop the gun, your finger comes off the trigger and the firing pin block resets. "


After having no luck when I looked before I think I found my answer.. I guess even if you had one of the long reset occurances.. you still are actively pulling the trigger.. so when the trigger is released the firing pin block would still be in place..


Thanks... for reading..

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Any trigger fully pulled disables that safety, am I correct?

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Any trigger fully pulled disables that safety, am I correct?
From what I am reading.. and now understand is that the normal trigger cycle places the firing pin block back in place between full trigger pulls... so it is inplace during the first part of the pull

The SRT does not do this... so in theory there is a short time where the tigger is not fully pulled and the firing pin block is not in place...

Would this be a longer time with the safety out of place when the SRT does an occasional long reset? Even then.. you had better be ready to fire the gun if you finger is on the trigger...

As I was piecing this together .. my concern was that the long reset error was also leaving this saftey (which I am just understanding) disabled.. doesn't seem to be so.. as far as I can tell.
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