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Old 03-28-2013, 08:15 AM   #21
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There is no perfect safe. However, some are better than others. A good safe is UL certified as tool resistant. This means they are harder to drill and cut because of the properties of the construction materials. Of my twelve or so safes, three of mine are UL rated tool resistant. I keep long guns in one, pistols in one, and ammo in another.

Another item to recon with is an EMP. If such a blast hits your electronic safe, the electronic lock will be toast.

My main safes are tumbler combination locks, not electronic. No batteries to fail, no worry about EMP.

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These are not UL listed safes, most of them, but still, some are pretty good, and some knowledge can be gotten by watching the video.

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All anyone can do is take reasonable precautions. Get the best safe you can afford. Get a good alarm service. Make sure you have adequate insurance. A determined thief with the proper tools is hard to stop.

There was a priceless diamond display back in the 80"s that was stolen from an exhibit in London. The diamonds were store in unbreakable cases. They had cameras and a great alarm system. The owners of the diamonds were so confident they did not bother with hiring a security guard. A thief stole a bulldozer that was on the property. He ran the bulldozer through the front of the building. Then used the blade on the bulldozer to break the unbreakable cases. The thieves have not been caught to this day, to my knowledge.

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There is no perfect safe. However, some are better than others. A good safe is UL certified as tool resistant. This means they are harder to drill and cut because of the properties of the construction materials. Of my twelve or so safes, three of mine are UL rated tool resistant. I keep long guns in one, pistols in one, and ammo in another.

Another item to recon with is an EMP. If such a blast hits your electronic safe, the electronic lock will be toast.

My main safes are tumbler combination locks, not electronic. No batteries to fail, no worry about EMP.
Electronic safe needs a mechanical access back up.. not just for EMP.. failed batteries too
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Happy with my old fashioned dial lock Field & Stream 250lb 10 gun safe. Plenty for me, reliable and heavy as hell! Its not a Fort Knox but for now...this will buy me at least 10 years til I need a bigger one

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I so miss the days when every thing we bought proudly said "Made in America".
NAFTA signed by Bill Clinton.
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NAFTA signed by Bill Clinton.
China is not NAFTA.. not for a few million years at least Problem is China has no basic regulations.. so we get kids toys full of lead and you never know what they will substitute for when they run out of an ingredient.
Lots of cheap labor etc. Plus currency manipulation..
Most importantly a large nation of consumers that want it all so will not pay more for stuff made in US.
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China is not NAFTA.. not for a few million years at least
lol
I doubt the human race will make it that far anyway.
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The gun "cabinets" used to be made of decently heavy carbon spring steel and were not easy to pry or cut open. I know one gent whose entire cabinet was stolen. The police found it two days later half in a river --the thieves had been trying to pry it open but finally gave up and dumped it. I'm not saying they are safes, and the ones I have were made here and have to have been made towards the end of the last century, but they are OK. Definitely not Walmart stuff I have, though one is better than the other, but I can't speak about their quality either.

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The smaller stack on type lockers are more of a closet than a safe. They do well at keeping guns out of sight. But with smaller gun safes like that, it is probably easier to carry the whole thing off than to break into it on site. My local gun dealer, who works from home, built a secure room in his basement, and then a secured walk in closet for inventory and purchases.

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