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Old 07-18-2011, 01:59 AM   #11
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Illinois seems to me, Winds, like one of the lost states. Even if everything were to start to turn in the right direction, CA, NY, IL, MA...all lost states.

Do you see change inside your state, any movement at all, that makes you see otherwise? In Chicago proper, their reflex response to any violence is removing guns from the equation in whatever manner they can.

I hope you're right. If not for Chicago politics, Illinois would probably be like your neighbor states (save-able!).



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Old 07-18-2011, 02:56 AM   #12
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sad thing is that everytime illinois/chicago knee-jerks and restricts more gun rights the violence murder and rapes get exponentially worse. kinda like cops not chasing crooks in high speed chases. just promotes crime cuz all a goblin has to do to get away with it is to commit a crime police arent willing to fight against



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18 months ago i woulda said that about wis too.
Thats because the GOP won! if they didnt and the DEMS were still in CHARGE CCW would not of passed! just look at the States that have the DEMS in charge they are anti gun NY,NJ,CT,MA,CA and IL!!!
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Thats because the GOP won! if they didnt and the DEMS were still in CHARGE CCW would not of passed! just look at the States that have the DEMS in charge they are anti gun NY,NJ,CT,MA,CA and IL!!!
the gop didnt win. we kicked the gop out in 2008. thats why wisconsin went heavily democrat for a bit. conservatives won here in 2010 they finally got the message. if the gop was in charge in wisconsin we would still be looking for ccw and a state budget going through the roof.

there were more than a couple gop that lost their seats here in primaries to tea party conservaties. the gop thats left saw the writing in the boot and have been astudiously towing the conservative agenda
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the gop didnt win. we kicked the gop out in 2008. thats why wisconsin went heavily democrat for a bit. conservatives won here in 2010 they finally got the message. if the gop was in charge in wisconsin we would still be looking for ccw and a state budget going through the roof.

there were more than a couple gop that lost their seats here in primaries to tea party conservaties. the gop thats left saw the writing in the boot and have been astudiously towing the conservative agenda
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well if the GOP didnt win in wis.then what party does the Gov.belong to? DEMS how always been against the people owning firarms! look at the States I listed and if the Dems were friendly to gun onwership then whats the deal with ILLIONS?

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With Commie Quinn in office fat chance on CCW here. Not to mention our wonderful States attorney Madigan. Illinois is in sad shape and has been for some time due to Dems and the Chicago machine.
I have always said that Springfield is only the Capitol in a visual way, Chicago is where all the decisions are made.



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