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BeyondTheBox 05-28-2013 10:13 PM

Why train/practice defensive scenarios?
 
I really, truly don't understand it.

Doctors, please correct me if and where I'm wrong here...

This whole concept of "muscle memory" is the biggest joke ever. My understanding is that muscles don't have anything the brain doesn't give them, other than mass. It's truly the most fundamental and elementary of truths, that the musculatory system simply reacts to electrical impulses sent from the brain.

So, the only muscle with memory is the brain and understanding that most basic of facts, training yourself to react to a specific situation in a specific way is a matter of conditioning. Now to understand what conditioning is. It's a set up for failure!

This is what's wrong with all of you and all of your ideas of defensive drills. You're conditioning yourselves to respond to a singular dimensional scenario, but nothing is so streamline in murder or attack.

This isn't the military, the bad guy isn't trained to fight any particular way that you can practice for, this isn't football, there's no position to guard, thus you SHOULD NOT train to defend so specifically!

Learn good shooting stances and grips, absolutely! Understand pressure points and general defensive positions and concepts, yes. But DO NOT "train" for anything more than being aware and present.

Example, training to move during altercation. Great, but where to move? What if attack is left, or behind, or beyond, or front center, or etc, or etc, or etc...

Take things at more of a face value, your instinct will take control and do the right thing there. Stop over-estimating things.

Anyway, this is my take, based on my understanding and person experiences. I'm no doctor nor have I been more than mugged, pistol whipped, and jumped before. This just seems the most logical thing to me.

DrumJunkie 05-28-2013 10:51 PM

Do you do anything that you did best on your first try? Or are you more like real people and with practice gain proficiency over time?

BeyondTheBox 05-28-2013 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DrumJunkie (Post 1260667)
Do you do anything that you did best on your first try? Or are you more like real people and with practice gain proficiency over time?

Poor logic here. I'm not advocating to never shoot, maybe I didn't make that clear.

DrumJunkie 05-28-2013 11:01 PM

No, sound logic. Anyone can stand and slow fire a target. But can you bring a weapon fmr a holster to target while moving and do it in just a couple/few seconds?

You can't expect to be able to do something so involved without knowing how to do it. At the very least people should train to bring a weapon on target and fire two/three rounds in under four seconds.

johnr1943 05-28-2013 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BeyondTheBox (Post 1260640)
I really, truly don't understand it.

Doctors, please correct me if and where I'm wrong here...

....

Surely, you jest? Really?

I guess one just reads the directions ad infinitum and you have the skill?

Wow, I have wasted sooooooooooo much time honing various skills for over 6 decades!! I'm glad you're not a doctor too. :D

BeyondTheBox 05-28-2013 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DrumJunkie (Post 1260680)
No, sound logic. Anyone can stand and slow fire a target. But can you bring a weapon fmr a holster to target while moving and do it in just a couple/few seconds?

You can't expect to be able to do something so involved without knowing how to do it. At the very least people should train to bring a weapon on target and fire two/three rounds in under four seconds.

Know how doesn't require practice as far as I'm concerned, never has

BeyondTheBox 05-28-2013 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by johnr1943 (Post 1260685)

Surely, you jest? Really?

I guess one just reads the directions ad infinitum and you have the skill?

Wow, I have wasted sooooooooooo much time honing various skills for over 6 decades!! I'm glad you're not a doctor too. :D

I'm very serious. Please do edify if you have insight.

Oh, and don't call me Shirley.

DrumJunkie 05-28-2013 11:20 PM

Man, I am not trying to be condescending or anything but I can not see how anyone can be any good in any situation they have never even tried to engage in.
It's like saying no need to pick up a gun until you actually have to use it. I can't say a person that never trained for a SD situation can't protect themselves. But they are putting themselves at a disadvantage.

BeyondTheBox 05-28-2013 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DrumJunkie (Post 1260715)
Man, I am not trying to be condescending or anything but I can not see how anyone can be any good in any situation they have never even tried to engage in.
It's like saying no need to pick up a gun until you actually have to use it. I can't say a person that never trained for a SD situation can't protect themselves. But they are putting themselves at a disadvantage.

Couldn't disagree more, and again, I'm not saying one shouldn't practice shooting at all. I advocate for shooting practice, but only for the purpose of achieving a good grip and accurate shot.

DrumJunkie 05-28-2013 11:29 PM

My issue stems from the idea that in a SD situation you don't have the time to compose yourself. You have to get things right in a hurry. And to do that it's best yo know how to do it before hand.


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