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Old 07-02-2013, 07:20 AM   #61
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I always carry with one in the chamber.

I've never felt the slightest bit uncomfortable with a loaded weapon in good working condition. If a weapon's functionality is questionable, then I don't use it.

There's no point in carrying an empty firearm. You might as well not carry it or invest in a purpose designed club.

The "safety" argument is total bunk. Safety is a fictional concept, like the tooth fairy, which is to say it only exists between your ears. Prudent weapons handling means not putting your finger on the trigger or permitting any other objects to contact the trigger until you're on target and ready to fire.

If you're uncomfortable carrying a loaded firearm, how comfortable can you be with the idea of actually using it on someone else in a moment of desperation when all other options are non-starters and you're going to remain alive or become dead within the next few seconds dependent on how you respond to the threat you're presented with?

In situations where I would actually need a weapon of any kind, I have a hard time believing that I'll have time to decide to do anything else other than use it or escape, if at all possible.

I carry a Glock because it has the same manual of arms as a revolver to make it fire; pull the trigger. It holds more bullets than the revolver and therefore affords more opportunities to correct marksmanship mistakes. Big hole (.357 Magnum, 10MM, .45 ACP), small hole (9MM), who cares? Make a hole! Hell, make several holes.

If you live and didn't kill anyone you didn't mean to, you did it right. If you did it with an empty chamber, loaded chamber, or no chamber, it makes little difference. When someone's trying to kill me, I'm not too concerned with the aesthetics of it all.
While I agree with you on every point (except for Glocks - I hate Glocks) I don't think 357 can be classified as a big hole while 9mm is a small hole. There is usually only .002" difference in diameter amongst the common projectile sizes.

But again I agree with your point.
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Carry how you wish just train the muscle memory required to do whatever is necessary to get your weapon ready. Personally that's why I choose round in the chamber and safety on because I did not have to retrain my muscle memory after getting out of the Army. That is also part of the reason I will not own a gun that has no safety.
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I think all sides and viable opinions have been expressed, now may be a good time to close this discussion before it digresses any further..
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If you really want to "increase the peace",

take a noob shooting. They are our future.
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No way I would be carrying a 1911 cocked with the safety off. That is asking for a ND!
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Another 'dead horse'.
The two most worthless things in the world are:
1. An unloaded gun. (No round down the pipe is unloaded)
2. A dull knife.
Nuff said!
My pocket knives always get conditioned for lifelong safe carry, first thing, first day. I find a piece of steel, and I take the blade, and run it down hard across the steel, as if I am trying to cut it in half. I do this several times.

This edge antipolish job still lets me cut most anything, open boxes, etc, but it makes the knife safer to work with. Had my fill of cuts to the bone over the years.

Snap on guy was showing me a knife once, and as he was handing me the knife, he drops it. He reaches to catch the knife before it hits the ground, and opens his hand up many stitches worth, fifty some as I remember.
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That was one of the orders I didn't follow.

One of the guys followed it respondeding to a loud music got his gun taken because he didn't have a round ready and got the crap beat out of him....
Take a beating, or shoot someone. Hejj of a choice. I carry, have done so with a permit 30 years a go, then 25 years as constitutional carry, now back to permit carry again, and about to start teaching CC classes.

In my experiences, and in my class, I will be teaching, sometimes it would be better to get a black eye than live with killing someone. The post about people acting like Clint Eastwood while they carry has merit. This concealed carry responsibility is not life imitating art, it is deadly.
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So many great posts in this thread. Very smart people in our community.

A Glock will never go off from a drop. Not a waist high drop, not a tumble down stairs, or even pulling it at the end of a rope, behind a fast moving vehicle, dragged miles down a gravel road. Great you tube video.

Someone or some thing needs to have a five pound trigger pull in the center of a long trigger pull. Absent that condition, a Glock will not fire.

My thoughts on a Glock for civilian carry? This is a military gun, with some good points, and some trade offs that make use in and around civilians, more of a powder keg. Personally, for my Glock 20, I use only a retention level two holster made to only fit my gun, and I add a third level of safety by also using a trigger block safety. My Glock has a zero probability of ever producing Glock Leg, which is a personal goal of mine. I train 100 rounds a month, or more, so the time it takes to go from holster to dialing 911 to report a shooting is nill.

How much coin do you have in your daily driving vehicle? I have, round numbers, $80,000 in one, own many vehicles. What is your home worth? Quarter mil here. Other assets? Afirmitive.

If and when I make the judgment call to stop an attacker with my personal firearm, all my personal wealth goes out the window. Vehicles, homes, savings, all gone. The attorney's feeding frenzy would look like pouring fish parts from a bucket into a school of sharks, and my wealth would be consumed that quickly.

I have zero interest in killing or injuring anyone, over most anything. I stay out of trouble, and trouble producing situations. If cornered, I would flee or fight with a baseball bat way before I would present a gun to settle things.

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I hate the term Glock Leg because it implies it is the weapon's fault. The reality is that any and all supposed instances of the so called Glock Leg should actually be called "Negligent Leg" as the fault lies with the shooter.
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My wife wouldn't carry one in the chamber, and bugged me to no end having to think about whose gun it was I was picking up if it was cond 1 or not.

Came to a head at the range one day when she couldn't pull the slide to load one into the chamber. Her hands were so dry she couldn't get a solid grip.
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