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Old 08-10-2013, 06:50 AM   #181
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Some people are very fast in the draw, but the fact that Missouribound is still alive has more to do with the lack of intent to kill than it does with how fast he is. Thankfully most people have never encountered someone who actually knows how to use a knife and is intent on killing them.

Having a gun is great and is rule #1 if you're involved in a gunfight, but there are times when you won't be able to use it so other tools and other tactics come into play.

I have always taught people that it's only a tool in a tool belt. It shouldn't be your only tool and paying attention to the people around you is way more important than having a gun.

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I have always taught people that it's only a tool in a tool belt. It shouldn't be your only tool and paying attention to the people around you is way more important than having a gun.
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No weapon will save you if you allow yourself to be surprised at close range, especially by multiple attackers.
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No weapon will save you if you allow yourself to be surprised at close range, especially by multiple attackers.
i agree. being aware of your surroundings and environment are very important too. paying attention to the people around you and how they are acting might alert you to trouble before it happens. paying attention to your instincts could save your life.

a pistol is not going to be of much help if your are not prepared or capable of using it.
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I guess that's why every soldier in the Israeli armed forces carries an un-chambered Glock in a Fobus holster.
No, they carry them because they are 'issued' them and they do not have choice. I have a choice. I have noticed that the fobus holster makes a very audible 'click' when the gun is removed and if NEED to remove my PPD quietly it would not be the holster I would want so I don't use it for CC. Is there a problem with that?????
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[QUOTE=kbd512;1331525]Some people are very fast in the draw, but the fact that Missouribound is still alive has more to do with the lack of intent to kill than it does with how fast he is. QUOTE]

You are a bit confused.....it wasn't about me, I was merely one of the responders to the original post.

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No weapon will save you if you allow yourself to be surprised at close range, especially by multiple attackers.
Not necessarily true.
I have and I know several who have survived a 'CQ ambush'! And, unfortunately, I knew some who did not.
NSDQ and neither should you regardless of how many there are and how close they are if you want to see another sunrise bad enough!!!
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I don't have one chambered in my carry weapon:
1) it doesn't have a safety
2) I'm still 1000% better off than most folks who don't carry
3) it adds a few seconds to a life changing decision
Yes, there is a chance that those few seconds could be precious BUT I believe that to be statistically remote and I'm accepting of that risk.

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I don't have one chambered in my carry weapon:
1) it doesn't have a safety
2) I'm still 1000% better off than most folks who don't carry
3) it adds a few seconds to a life changing decision
Yes, there is a chance that those few seconds could be precious BUT I believe that to be statistically remote and I'm accepting of that risk.
Consider yourself the exception, not the rule if you have a fee seconds to make that decision...
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I don't have one chambered in my carry weapon:
1) it doesn't have a safety
2) I'm still 1000% better off than most folks who don't carry
3) it adds a few seconds to a life changing decision
Yes, there is a chance that those few seconds could be precious BUT I believe that to be statistically remote and I'm accepting of that risk.
hmmmm......

1) then maybe you need more training.
2) quantify your answer as to why and where you came up with that figure.
3) in those few seconds, it may end up being the very last seconds of your life.

you believe it to be statistically remote? please again quantify how you figure it to be remotely statistical that you have those few seconds in order to chamber a round.

i'll give you two good reasons, why to not carry unchambered.

1) what if in an attack your injured and can't rack the slide or if up close and personal, you are using your non-gun hand to fend off the attacker so you can present your pistol? you can't. you pistol even in your hand is no more effective than a club, and actually a real club would be more effective.

2) reread about the 21 foot rule used by LE agencies that they use for their officers. this is even with the gun chambered and in hand. they say that an armed attacker can cover 21 feet in less time to actually get an accurate shot off and stop the attacker. so if the attacker is 21 feet or less, and you have to rack the slide and bring the pistol to bear on the attacker, then you have increased the odds that you will be injured or killed. if you live through it, then it will nothing but luck. not because you had a pistol.

you might want to seriously rethink carrying a firearm, you might be you own worst luck if attacked.
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hmmmm......

1) then maybe you need more training.
2) quantify your answer as to why and where you came up with that figure.
3) in those few seconds, it may end up being the very last seconds of your life.

you believe it to be statistically remote? please again quantify how you figure it to be remotely statistical that you have those few seconds in order to chamber a round.

i'll give you two good reasons, why to not carry unchambered.

1) what if in an attack your injured and can't rack the slide or if up close and personal, you are using your non-gun hand to fend off the attacker so you can present your pistol? you can't. you pistol even in your hand is no more effective than a club, and actually a real club would be more effective.

2) reread about the 21 foot rule used by LE agencies that they use for their officers. this is even with the gun chambered and in hand. they say that an armed attacker can cover 21 feet in less time to actually get an accurate shot off and stop the attacker. so if the attacker is 21 feet or less, and you have to rack the slide and bring the pistol to bear on the attacker, then you have increased the odds that you will be injured or killed. if you live through it, then it will nothing but luck. not because you had a pistol.

you might want to seriously rethink carrying a firearm, you might be you own worst luck if attacked.
No matter how you try to "quantify" this..It's extremely subjective as the vast, vast majority of us will never find ourselves in a shoot or be killed life and death situation. There are a zillion what ifs that can be stated and you bring up two of the most logical. Vigilance will reduce the chances but never eliminate them. You can always chamber in higher risk situations/environments also. You can't eliminate accidental discharges either and IMO, the chances of an accidental discharge are as high as that small percentage of time that chambering will make a difference. Simply my opinion. Yours is well stated and well thought out and I respect that also. I had a hard time deciding on a carry weapon for this very reason. If mine had a safety, I'd chamber...then there would be the threads about whether to leave the safety on or off
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