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Old 07-10-2013, 06:49 AM   #141
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My gun readiness has changed over the past few weeks, mostly because I am now a NRA Certified Instructor. One hard fast rule is, no live ammo in an NRA classroom.

That rule has changed the way I do business with my firearms. Much easier, much safier to drop a mag, and check for an empty chamber, than drop a mag and clear a round from a chamber. Same action, but one carries the greater potential for tragedies.

Another change in my mentality, is the discovery in my new Glock 20 owners manual, telling me to keep my chamber empty. Old Glock 20 did not say that.

Sure, that is just an attorney song and dance. True, but if I ever get involved in a shooting, I will be better off, following the rules that came with my gun. Far better off. Maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars better off.

For a quarter mil, I can live with an empty chamber.

Good news, empty chamber, trigger block safeties are no longer needed.

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My gun readiness has changed over the past few weeks, mostly because I am now a NRA Certified Instructor. One hard fast rule is, no live ammo in an NRA classroom.

That rule has changed the way I do business with my firearms. Much easier, much safier to drop a mag, and check for an empty chamber, than drop a mag and clear a round from a chamber. Same action, but one carries the greater potential for tragedies.

Another change in my mentality, is the discovery in my new Glock 20 owners manual, telling me to keep my chamber empty. Old Glock 20 did not say that.

Sure, that is just an attorney song and dance. True, but if I ever get involved in a shooting, I will be better off, following the rules that came with my gun. Far better off. Maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars better off.

For a quarter mil, I can live with an empty chamber.

Good news, empty chamber, trigger block safeties are no longer needed.
Dead men don't get to keep or spend any money, AR10.

You went through all the trouble of getting certified as a NRA instructor and actually read the manual that came with your Glock and decided it was better as a paperweight than as a weapon?

If you wanted a club, there were plenty of better and cheaper options available.

I'm not sure I'd put too much stock in what a liar, I mean lawyer, would say about firearms. They get paid to run off at the mouth and while they're pretty good at that they don't stop many criminal assaults against their clients.

Who reads the manual that comes with a Glock? I didn't know it even had one. I thought it was like an AK-47.
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To each their own.
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My gun readiness has changed over the past few weeks, mostly because I am now a NRA Certified Instructor. One hard fast rule is, no live ammo in an NRA classroom.

That rule has changed the way I do business with my firearms. Much easier, much safier to drop a mag, and check for an empty chamber, than drop a mag and clear a round from a chamber. Same action, but one carries the greater potential for tragedies.

Another change in my mentality, is the discovery in my new Glock 20 owners manual, telling me to keep my chamber empty. Old Glock 20 did not say that.

Sure, that is just an attorney song and dance. True, but if I ever get involved in a shooting, I will be better off, following the rules that came with my gun. Far better off. Maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars better off.

For a quarter mil, I can live with an empty chamber.

Good news, empty chamber, trigger block safeties are no longer needed.
So, you are saying you don't trust this "simple" pistol, even though

you have a fairly sophisticated degree of training?

What,what,what?
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99% of the time I do not keep a round chambered. I read enough articles about cop and others dropping guns and them going off. Also heard of car wrecks or someone getting flustered when they pull it out and it going off. And I used to carry all the time when I road my bike. If I hit the ground at 80mph, my leathers, boots, gloves, and lid would do a great job of saving my ass. But a gun bouncing with me would be tough to not be concerned with. There are also few things I could think of that I would have to engage and pull the trigger with zero time to chamber a round. When I shoot a hang gun at the range every few weeks I practice drawing, chambering and then firing. Chambering a round doesn't slow me down hardly at all drone draw to sighting target.
In the end, I feel comfortable with it. That's what matters to me. If I were a cop, I would do things differently but I can get the first shot off at about the same time (some days faster) that a friend of mine that is a cop. It just takes two hands.
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In most cases outside the home the only time you would be justified in using deadly force is if there was a large disparity of force or your attacker was displaying a weapon and making threats. If your attacker is already displaying a weapon, you have lost the quick draw competition before you ever knew there was going to be one. Why would you intentionally add an extra step to your attempt to defend yourself?
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In most cases outside the home the only time you would be justified in using deadly force is if there was a large disparity of force or your attacker was displaying a weapon and making threats. If your attacker is already displaying a weapon, you have lost the quick draw competition before you ever knew there was going to be one. Why would you intentionally add an extra step to your attempt to defend yourself?
If someone already had a barrel in my face, I'm going to do whatever the hell they ask of me before I consider drawing anyway. If they have one on someone else, I can have it drawn and chambered before they got turned around.
I've practiced enough (and continue to practice from time to time) to know my abilities. From what I can think of, it's really a non-issue.
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If someone already had a barrel in my face, I'm going to do whatever the hell they ask of me before I consider drawing anyway. If they have one on someone else, I can have it drawn and chambered before they got turned around.
I wasn't trying to single you out when I posted, but I am glad you responded.

There is a reason why I said weapon and not firearm. I'm guessing based on the quick draw comment I made you assumed I meant a gun, but it could just as easily be a knife or a bat. Time is critical in any instance, but if you say you can do it, I hope you are correct. I have strong doubts about my ability to get away with it, so I always carry with a chambered round.
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One in the pipe or not is as personal of a choice as whether to carry a weapon (of any sort) or not. The reason most people carry a weapon is to give them peace of mind. Your carry method should also give you p.o.m.
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One in the pipe or not is as personal of a choice as whether to carry a weapon (of any sort) or not. The reason most people carry a weapon is to give them peace of mind. Your carry method should also give you p.o.m.
Well put! A good response for many of the pro/con questions on the forum.
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