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Old 07-03-2013, 02:53 PM   #101
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Absolutely, 100% spot on.
You just basically agreed that it is due to the construction of the gun. You essentially contradicted yourself. If I have to explain to you how, then you need to re-read his post and think about every point he makes.

Personally I don't know much about Glock Leg or anything like that. I just know what I've been reading the last couple weeks, here and there. I agree that if it happens often enough for the situation to have its own name, then one of two logical conclusions can be made. Either there is something in the construction of the gun which causes some NGs occasionally; or there is something about Glock owners who are prone to NGs. Personally I don't know. I agree that training is paramount. I also think every person should be hyper-aware when reholstering a firearm. Be 100% cognizant of everything. Being safe while shooting is one thing. That is kind of drilled into people often. But I believe people often overlook reholstering. Just my opinion.

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But you sure do sound like the gun grabbing left by placing the blame on the guns themselves.
There is no reason to start saying things like that. When a gun is poorly or unsafely designed (and I'm not saying Glock IS), or when a person thinks that about a gun due to its track record, that doesn't make them an irrational gun grabber. To say so is asinine.

I'm not saying Glocks are terrible guns, or that they're unsafe. This is one of those "to each his own" type situations. Some people think Glocks are unsafe so they don't buy them. Some people think carrying hot is unsafe so they don't do it. Some people think having every safety ever designed on a gun is the only way to make a gun safe, so that's the gun they buy.

Reasonable people can disagree. Especially when we're talking about personal preferences. That doesn't make anyone asinine.

Last note: I would never own a Glock. Only because "Glock fanboys" piss me off and I therefore have an irrational bias against the gun. That's my bias to live with. There are other equally good, if not better, polymer framed handguns on the market.
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When carrying in a Civil situation I recommend an empty chamber,when carrying in an Uncivilized,say neighborhood one in chamber,but only shoot White BGs not Black BGs,or you will be in the Media NEWS World Wide!

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Glock safeties suck? That's purely your opinion. You don't have to buy a Glock, it's a preference like your vehicle or the color of your house. Nothing you've posted can be labeled as fact. Every instance or possible scenario that's been given is subject to poor training or wanton disregard of the four safety rules. To say that only Glock owners have NDs is asinine.

But you sure do sound like the gun grabbing left by placing the blame on the guns themselves.
OH, well, since you put it that way.

I mean, certainly-glock leg must have named

itself. I'm just plain wrong.
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You just basically agreed that it is due to the construction of the gun. You essentially contradicted yourself. If I have to explain to you how, then you need to re-read his post and think about every point he makes.

Personally I don't know much about Glock Leg or anything like that. I just know what I've been reading the last couple weeks, here and there. I agree that if it happens often enough for the situation to have its own name, then one of two logical conclusions can be made. Either there is something in the construction of the gun which causes some NGs occasionally; or there is something about Glock owners who are prone to NGs. Personally I don't know. I agree that training is paramount. I also think every person should be hyper-aware when reholstering a firearm. Be 100% cognizant of everything. Being safe while shooting is one thing. That is kind of drilled into people often. But I believe people often overlook reholstering. Just my opinion.

There is no reason to start saying things like that. When a gun is poorly or unsafely designed (and I'm not saying Glock IS), or when a person thinks that about a gun due to its track record, that doesn't make them an irrational gun grabber. To say so is asinine.

I'm not saying Glocks are terrible guns, or that they're unsafe. This is one of those "to each his own" type situations. Some people think Glocks are unsafe so they don't buy them. Some people think carrying hot is unsafe so they don't do it. Some people think having every safety ever designed on a gun is the only way to make a gun safe, so that's the gun they buy.

Reasonable people can disagree. Especially when we're talking about personal preferences. That doesn't make anyone asinine.

Last note: I would never own a Glock. Only because "Glock fanboys" piss me off and I therefore have an irrational bias against the gun. That's my bias to live with. There are other equally good, if not better, polymer framed handguns on the market.
No, I agreed that the issue is the level of training and competency with the shooter. But, to say that ONLY one type of gun or gun owner has a ND is asinine.

The asinine comment is in reference to the post that said there were no NDs of the same sort with other guns, which is undeniably false.

You don't have to explain anything to me. Some people just aren't competent or comfortable enough to use a Glock without shooting themselves.
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No, I agreed that the issue is the level of training and competency with the shooter. But, to say that ONLY one type of gun or gun owner has a ND is asinine.
Agreed.

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The asinine comment is in reference to the post that said there were no NDs of the same sort with other guns, which is undeniably false.
I didn't notice that post. Maybe I misread something.

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You don't have to explain anything to me. Some people just aren't competent or comfortable enough to use a Glock without shooting themselves.
Its a good thing they have a choice in the matter then.
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The fact remains it's ONLY THE GLOCKS with owners having "user error"

or "incompetence".

Face it: glock safeties SUCK.

What is a safety supposed to do ?

Glock safeties, on the whole, aren't

getting it done.

Case in point: I carry full size. What I shoot at the range is

what I carry. I've never had an ND/AD.

I won't buy a glock because of their poor

safety record. I won't risk an ND with a pistol with such

a poor reputation. My fear of their poor reputation in

this area keeps me from ever buying one.

IMHO, if there were ever a pistol which was the

poster-boy for carrying without a round in the

chamber, it would be GLOCK.
Identifying a GLOCK as you just have only means that your skill level is not as advanced as others. Not you fault you just need training or a weapon with multiple fail safe devices so you feel comfortable.
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This issue is just one of the many reasons I use a revolver. Always ready to fire, but never one in 'the pipe', long heavy DA trigger pull is an effective safety for most people. I encourage people to try revolvers; I'm a big fan of the KISS principle.

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This thread is about carrying one in the chamber or not.

It has devolved into an debate about Glocks.

Let's get it back on track..........


I agree, SWIll. I am a fan of revolvers. Simple, beautiful, functional.

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I agree about wheel guns too. I usually recommend wheel guns to new shooters. Well just about to anyone really. I like my semis too of course. But ill always have a special place in my heart for a wheel gun.

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...But ill always have a special place in my heart for a wheel gun.
Now THAT is deep concealment!
I applaud your commitment sir.
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