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Old 02-04-2011, 12:56 PM   #21
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Skull; You are right. If I had a safe shot yes I would have taken it. We dont know if there was a safe shot and as I said you are responsible for every round you fire. You better not hit someone else by mistake.

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In cases like this one, you will always hear about the woman that was there.

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Indeed. Woulda, coulda, and shoulda...enactment of any three, could have been a scene changer.
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I saw an interview with the armed citizen. He said that when he heard the shots, he approached the scene, reaching under his jacket to put his hand on his gun and flip the safety off. He got there after the lady had grabbed the magazine from him and another citizen had grabbed the gunman. At first, the armed guy didn't know who the shooter was. When he realized that the shooter was grappling with the other good guy, he lent a hand.

So, from my understanding of the events, I'd say he did very well. Of course, my recollection may be imperfect, and other things may have happened. There were stories that said he almost shot the wrong person, but I believe they were all from anti-gun sources, since the guy's gun never cleared the holster. I think they were just extrapolating from the fact that the guy didn't correctly identify the shooter at first. But I think he was very level-headed under the circumstances.

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I saw an interview with the armed citizen. He said that when he heard the shots, he approached the scene, reaching under his jacket to put his hand on his gun and flip the safety off. He got there after the lady had grabbed the magazine from him and another citizen had grabbed the gunman. At first, the armed guy didn't know who the shooter was. When he realized that the shooter was grappling with the other good guy, he lent a hand.

So, from my understanding of the events, I'd say he did very well. Of course, my recollection may be imperfect, and other things may have happened. There were stories that said he almost shot the wrong person, but I believe they were all from anti-gun sources, since the guy's gun never cleared the holster. I think they were just extrapolating from the fact that the guy didn't correctly identify the shooter at first. But I think he was very level-headed under the circumstances.
Yep, I also saw a couple different interviews with him and that is how he described it. Give the info that others were already involved in restraining him, taking a shot at that time would have been a bad idea.
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I saw an interview with the armed citizen. He said that when he heard the shots, he approached the scene, reaching under his jacket to put his hand on his gun and flip the safety off. He got there after the lady had grabbed the magazine from him and another citizen had grabbed the gunman. At first, the armed guy didn't know who the shooter was. When he realized that the shooter was grappling with the other good guy, he lent a hand.

So, from my understanding of the events, I'd say he did very well. Of course, my recollection may be imperfect, and other things may have happened. There were stories that said he almost shot the wrong person, but I believe they were all from anti-gun sources, since the guy's gun never cleared the holster. I think they were just extrapolating from the fact that the guy didn't correctly identify the shooter at first. But I think he was very level-headed under the circumstances.
That's the way I heard it also. The guy did the right thing.
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I saw an interview with the armed citizen. He said that when he heard the shots, he approached the scene, reaching under his jacket to put his hand on his gun and flip the safety off. He got there after the lady had grabbed the magazine from him and another citizen had grabbed the gunman. At first, the armed guy didn't know who the shooter was. When he realized that the shooter was grappling with the other good guy, he lent a hand.

So, from my understanding of the events, I'd say he did very well. Of course, my recollection may be imperfect, and other things may have happened. There were stories that said he almost shot the wrong person, but I believe they were all from anti-gun sources, since the guy's gun never cleared the holster. I think they were just extrapolating from the fact that the guy didn't correctly identify the shooter at first. But I think he was very level-headed under the circumstances.
As told he was 100% correct in judgement, which again shows that those that carry concealed are not Wanna-be Rambos looking for their 15 minutes of fame.

I commend the guy for not escalating the situation by drawing his weapon and trying to get everyone down on the ground or some stupid BS like that.

He showed excellent judgement and excellent assessment of the situation given those previously unknown circumstances.

*respect* to all three people who did something instead of running away from danger, they put their lives in greater peril by attempting to stop a murderer. That above all else is what should be the character that is remembered that day.
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Default great job by this young man!

As far as I am concerned this young man did everything right! Some may question why he was at scene.(he was across the street buying cigarettes when he heard the gunshots). He chose to help if he could. He was smart he did not go in like "rambo" as someone said earlier but was in hyper mode and alert to surroundings. He saw the woman with the magazine, the older gent with the gun,but took the second look at situation and never drew his weapon. The older gent actually tackled the suspect and got the gun.
Had he gone in rambo-esque, he may have wound up shot by police or even by a less criticall cc person. Arizona is a big gun state.........where were they??


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As told he was 100% correct in judgement, which again shows that those that carry concealed are not Wanna-be Rambos looking for their 15 minutes of fame.

I commend the guy for not escalating the situation by drawing his weapon and trying to get everyone down on the ground or some stupid BS like that.

He showed excellent judgement and excellent assessment of the situation given those previously unknown circumstances.

*respect* to all three people who did something instead of running away from danger, they put their lives in greater peril by attempting to stop a murderer. That above all else is what should be the character that is remembered that day.
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I don't know if any one else was taught this, but I was always taught, "Clean target, clean background". If he were to shot and take out the BG....he is a hero, if on the other hand he was to shoot miss and take out a school girl, and nun and Paris Hilton.....well then he is only 1/3 hero(bad joke, I know) and 2/3 murderer.

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The armed citizen was in the store buyng some cigarettes when he heard what sounded like gun fire. He ran out of the store and saw the felon trying to load a clip in the pistol. A women was attacking the shooter as well as another by stander. The citizen held the shooter and the woman pulled the gun from his hand. Their was no need to display the citizens gun under these conditions. The citizen was cool and made the right moves.

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with the jurisdictions or lack their of I dont know what I am allowed to do or not

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