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Old 06-21-2013, 10:57 AM   #61
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The statistics regarding CCW holders do show that escalation is avoided in many instances.
90% of CCW holders never have to draw their gun.
Of the 10% that do, only 1% have to use it.
Determining if you are in that 1% is a life changing decision.

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Ok, so someone just tried to rob you at the ATM machine, you drew your weapon and the bad guy ran away, you're now dialing 911 thirty seconds later still panicked, what do you say? It's not just the statement you give the officer once he arrives, but also the information he receives before he arrives that could change how things end up. I'm thinking a good cop gets a call saying there was an attempted robbery and someone is still at the scene with a firearm could get interpreted poorly while the officer is in route. Without lying to the 911 operator, what would you want to tell them?

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The statistics regarding CCW holders do show that escalation is avoided in many instances.
90% of CCW holders never have to draw their gun.
Of the 10% that do, only 1% have to use it.
Determining if you are in that 1% is a life changing decision.
Those numbers seem almost unbelievably high to me!! 10 percent of CC have to draw there gun?? And 1 out of 100 have to use there weapon to potentially take a life?? Those surveys had to be taking in the worst areas in the Country!! Or from the small fraction of CC holders that look for trouble!!
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Those numbers seem almost unbelievably high to me!! 10 percent of CC have to draw there gun?? And 1 out of 100 have to use there weapon to potentially take a life?? Those surveys had to be taking in the worst areas in the Country!! Or from the small fraction of CC holders that look for trouble!!
Just because we all jumped through the hoops and earned the right to CC!! Doesn't mean we all have the ideal temperament or personality to carry!!
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Those numbers seem almost unbelievably high to me!! 10 percent of CC have to draw there gun?? And 1 out of 100 have to use there weapon to potentially take a life?? Those surveys had to be taking in the worst areas in the Country!! Or from the small fraction of CC holders that look for trouble!!
I agree. I have taught well over 500 students in Armed Self Defense to date as far as I know none of them have fired a shot. Some may have had to use the psychological use to dissuade an attack, but I have not heard from any of them about this. (I ask all my students to let me know if they ever had to use their firearm in any way to defend themselves or others)
I have had to pull my gun several times off duty but have not fired a shot off duty.
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Just because we all jumped through the hoops and earned the right to CC!! Doesn't mean we all have the ideal temperament or personality to carry!!
True, but those who should not be armed are very few. In all the years of teaching I only encountered one whom I refunded his money and refused to give him my letter of training. The most responsible people IN THE WORLD are those who accept the responsibility to be armed and defend themselves and others!
The 'right' is ours we should not have to 'jump through the hoops' to exercise it!!! We do not need to 'earn' any right, they are endowed by our Creator!!!
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True, but those who should not be armed are very few. In all the years of teaching I only encountered one whom I refunded his money and refused to give him my letter of training. The most responsible people IN THE WORLD are those who accept the responsibility to be armed and defend themselves and others!
The 'right' is ours we should not have to 'jump through the hoops' to exercise it!!! We do not need to 'earn' any right, they are endowed by our Creator!!!
I agree but by law!! We no longer are born with the right to carry a deadly weapon!! And that debate will last forever!! And I always give both sides a fair glance at what is best for the people as a whole!! Got to remember how much has changed in the last 250 years!! Transportation being one of huge revolutions to make a drastic change!! Not to mention technology, well just about everything!! Hard to imagine our forefathers writing the exact laws and principles if they lived in today's world!! I often compare cc to driving a automobile!! Both can be a deadly weapon if not entrusted in responsible hands!! And I feel there must me some kind of testing and background check before issuing cc permits!! Ownership?? No!! CC?? Yes!! Last thing I want is my local McDonald's to be flooded with nuts that don't have proper perspective or judgement carrying high powered guns!! Just my opinion!
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I agree but by law!! We no longer are born with the right to carry a deadly weapon!! And that debate will last forever!! And I always give both sides a fair glance at what is best for the people as a whole!! Got to remember how much has changed in the last 250 years!! Transportation being one of huge revolutions to make a drastic change!! Not to mention technology, well just about everything!! Hard to imagine our forefathers writing the exact laws and principles if they lived in today's world!! I often compare cc to driving a automobile!! Both can be a deadly weapon if not entrusted in responsible hands!! And I feel there must me some kind of testing and background check before issuing cc permits!! Ownership?? No!! CC?? Yes!! Last thing I want is my local McDonald's to be flooded with nuts that don't have proper perspective or judgement carrying high powered guns!! Just my opinion!
To put in prospective!! If I was upset at someone 250 years ago, and they were 20 miles away!! It would take a half a day to get to there front door!! Today?? 30 minutes!! and that is a huge factor to consider as far as CC laws are concerned!! And that just one example!!
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OPs query - what do you do AFTER you have drawn your gun & the BG runs away.

Interesting dilemma. What you say and how you say it may well determine if you go home or to jail. I live in CT and both the public & police are extremely sensative to "gun issues."

Even if you do everything "right," our legal system, prosecutors w agendas, even public opinion can turn against you. A lifetime of savings can be spent trying to fight for your rights & liberty.

Agree w Texas - No such thing as a fair fight & Never bring a knife to a gun fight. In psychology, we study case histories and most criminals want nothing to do with an armed citizen. One even tried to sue the state because the castle doctrine created a "hazardous work environment" for his profession. (Thief)

Good idea to carry a "legally defensible" statement on a card in your wallet so you do not say the wrong thing to the 911 operator or the officer. Then keep your mouth shut - don't give the opposition any ammo to use against you. The 5th amendment was originally intended to protect you.

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