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Old 04-28-2013, 11:25 PM   #11
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This story exemplifies the need for multiple self defense options. Carrying less lethal and non lethal tools is important and training in basic self defense (hand to hand) should be mandatory for any concealed carry license holder. Killing someone who means to whoop your butt is neither appropriate, justified, or legal (in most jurisdictions).
My friend does hold a 3rd degree black belt, but he is also now 61 years old and 50 pounds overweight. His opponents were half his age, members of a criminal gang, and were known to carry weapons. Considering the background facts (which I know I have not included) there is every reason to believe that serious bodily injury would have occurred. This person is also an attorney, well versed in criminal law. He understands the law regarding self defense.

He is also an ex-marine, and has been shooting for 40 years, and is one of the best shots I know. He just got careless that day. That is the point of this thread.

A fight is one thing . . . a beating is another. Like my buddy, I'm not taking a whuppin that will put me in the hospital , or, if it went wrong, in the ground.
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People have been killed getting a butt whoopin.

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I wonder, could he have Bidened them with the little revolver still in the pocket? (popped off a warning shot)

That would have looked pretty nuts ("get back my vest is loaded") and probably drawn some police attention in a non-positive way.

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I have no problem with the guy drawing. I am not going to wait until I am unconcious on the ground to draw my weapon. Serious bodily injury is reason enough for me. I would rather go to court than the hospital any day.

My question is with the weapon itself. I carry a couple of different guns in my pocket, but in a pocket holster to protect the trigger. The revolver he was carrying...did it have an exposed hammer on it? That is the main reason people have a problem drawing a revolver from a pocket. My J-frame has a concealed hammer so that it cannot snag on a pocket. A lot of people have had their hammer bobbed to avoid snagging. But I would still use a pocket holter.

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I wonder, could he have Bidened them with the little revolver still in the pocket? (popped off a warning shot)

That would have looked pretty nuts ("get back my vest is loaded") and probably drawn some police attention in a non-positive way.
As a matter of fact . . .
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I have no problem with the guy drawing. I am not going to wait until I am unconcious on the ground to draw my weapon. Serious bodily injury is reason enough for me. I would rather go to court than the hospital any day.

My question is with the weapon itself. I carry a couple of different guns in my pocket, but in a pocket holster to protect the trigger. The revolver he was carrying...did it have an exposed hammer on it? That is the main reason people have a problem drawing a revolver from a pocket. My J-frame has a concealed hammer so that it cannot snag on a pocket. A lot of people have had their hammer bobbed to avoid snagging. But I would still use a pocket holter.
Yup, it had an exposed hammer, and that was part of the problem. As stated, this was not his usual carry gun; but he got in a hurry and just picked up the snubbie, threw it in his inside vest pocket, and went. He has holsters for it, and for his other guns (he has one custom made shoulder holster for a Ruger .45LC single action, with an additional small holster on the shoulder strap for a American Derringer in .45/.410 that I drool over, but that's another story).
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This story exemplifies the need for multiple self defense options. Carrying less lethal and non lethal tools is important and training in basic self defense (hand to hand) should be mandatory for any concealed carry license holder. Killing someone who means to whoop your butt is neither appropriate, justified, or legal (in most jurisdictions).
Some folks "nixfix & Chainfire" need to look up the definition of "serious bodily injury"... and if you don't think 1 grown man, let alone 3, are capable of achieving this threshold then I suggest you review FBI death statistics for "hands and feet".

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If someone, or a couple of someones, intend to just whip your butt, and you draw down on them, that would be a crime where I live.

The test for drawing is the same test for shooting. Reasonable fear of death, or serious bodily injury of yourself or someone else. A simple butt-whoopin, would not meet that criteria.

Reasonable may well be decided by a jury. Some jurors don't like guns.......
Your definition of serious bodily harm and mine are completely different then. A butt whopping from 2 people is serious bodily harm to me and any logical thinking person I could imagine or know.
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No I'm sure Chainfire and nixfix, if they had a gun on them, would just stand there and let the hoods beat the crap out of them. Maybe do a little karate or tae kwando to save their asses. You got a gun on you, the hoods are gonna whup you, take your gun and maybe shoot you with it. Nothing more fun than getting shot by your own gun.

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there is always a firearm involved in EVERY altercation


YOURS!!!


you only have a split second to make a decision, you do not have the time to debate or second guess yourself.

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