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eatmydust 01-30-2014 12:08 PM

For those of us that carry .380 acp. sometimes
 
One of the CC guns I carry is an I.O. Hellcat II, in .380 acp. I generally carry it in hot weather when clothing is less of an obstacle for the bullet. I usually alternate JHP - FMJ in my mags. Since I do not do my own gel/obstacle testing, I am reliant on vids., etc. for my info.

Here is the best compilation of .380 acp. ammo testing I have seen. Looks like the Horady XTP bullet is the big winner.


John_Deer 01-30-2014 12:36 PM

I never use any hollow points in a 380. During the North Hollywood bank robbery a FBI agent had a perfect shot to take out on of the robbers before they left the bank. The agent shot the robber in the shoulder where he had no body armor. The 380 HP bullet hit the bone in his arm and stopped. In the performance report the FBI concluded that if the agent on the scene had loaded his 380 with FMJ ammo he would have taken out one of the robbers with the first point blank range shot.

No matter what type of ammo one chooses to use small 380's such as the LCP, P 3AT, and IO hellcat are going to generate about 200 ft lb of energy at the muzzle. You have to use a full sized pistol like the bersa thunder to get more velocity from any 380 ammo.

chloeshooter 01-30-2014 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by John_Deer (Post 1494791)
I never use any hollow points in a 380. During the North Hollywood bank robbery a FBI agent had a perfect shot to take out on of the robbers before they left the bank. The agent shot the robber in the shoulder where he had no body armor. The 380 HP bullet hit the bone in his arm and stopped. In the performance report the FBI concluded that if the agent on the scene had loaded his 380 with FMJ ammo he would have taken out one of the robbers with the first point blank range shot.

No matter what type of ammo one chooses to use small 380's such as the LCP, P 3AT, and IO hellcat are going to generate about 200 ft lb of energy at the muzzle. You have to use a full sized pistol like the bersa thunder to get more velocity from any 380 ammo.

I wonder what distance that N. Hollywood shot was taken from? I agree you need something that isn't toy sized like a Bersa Thunder, CZ 380, Walther etc. and I think you need to be inside 50 ft to boot for .380s to be effective.

I smell another caliber debate starting :rolleyes:

eatmydust 01-30-2014 02:37 PM

^Instigator^

John_Deer 01-30-2014 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by chloeshooter (Post 1494856)
I wonder what distance that N. Hollywood shot was taken from? I agree you need something that isn't toy sized like a Bersa Thunder, CZ 380, Walther etc. and I think you need to be inside 50 ft to boot for .380s to be effective.

I smell another caliber debate starting :rolleyes:

It was virtually point blank range. If you google the North Hollywood Bank Robbery, you will find the bank photo of the officer shooting the robber at the bank. He walked right up to the robber and shot him. I suspect that is why the officer chose the 380, he didn't want the robber to see he was armed until it was to late.

chloeshooter 01-30-2014 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by John_Deer (Post 1494869)
It was virtually point blank range. If you google the North Hollywood Bank Robbery, you will find the bank photo of the officer shooting the robber at the bank. He walked right up to the robber and shot him. I suspect that is why the officer chose the 380, he didn't want the robber to see he was armed until it was to late.

I wonder if 9mm or even a .45 would have stopped those guys with one shot really. they were some hopped-up, determined dudes!

John_Deer 01-30-2014 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chloeshooter (Post 1494871)
I wonder if 9mm or even a .45 would have stopped those guys with one shot really. they were some hopped-up, determined dudes!

A larger pistol likely would not have stopped him instantly. But even if the officer had used FMJ ammo in 5 minutes or so his blood pressure would have been to low to carry on the fight. Instead the two robbers shot up half of LA.

chloeshooter 01-30-2014 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by John_Deer (Post 1494874)
A larger pistol likely would not have stopped him instantly. But even if the officer had used FMJ ammo in 5 minutes or so his blood pressure would have been to low to carry on the fight. Instead the two robbers shot up half of LA.

so you are saying the FMJ would have penetrated thru the bone? if so I see your point. if not, I would think the hollow points would cause more bleeding. but I am not ballistics expert

MaineMan 01-30-2014 03:28 PM

here ya go...this looks like a good choice from Buffalo Bore

380 Auto +P Ammo - 100 gr. Hardcast F.N. (1150fps/ M.E. 294 ft. lbs.) Item 27A/20 is a 100gr. HARD cast bullet with a flat nose. It is traveling over 1,150 fps out of my 3.75 inch BDA (Browning Double Action)

chloeshooter 01-30-2014 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MaineMan (Post 1494888)
here ya go...this looks like a good choice from Buffalo Bore

380 Auto +P Ammo - 100 gr. Hardcast F.N. (1150fps/ M.E. 294 ft. lbs.) Item 27A/20 is a 100gr. HARD cast bullet with a flat nose. It is traveling over 1,150 fps out of my 3.75 inch BDA (Browning Double Action)

I have some of that stuff. It has a little zip to it that's for sure!


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