Originally Posted by DP03
Certainly wasn't talking about penetration alone. I would much rather the stopping power of 3 copper plates at 7.5" plus 12 BB's at 4.5" than a single 9mm bullet at 10".
And that's where we will probably differ on what criteria are important. A projectile has to be able to reliably get deep enough to hit major organs and blood vessels to get an attacker to stop. All handguns suck at this. Lightweight ballistically inefficient rounds don't get the required penetration. Light, round balls are worst. Lightweight pucks aren't much better. Delivering a payloads energy shallow will make an ugly wound, but may not get deep enough to end a fight. It may get there. It may get there sometimes and not others. I prefer predictability of performance, and where the round is most likely to go.
I do like a shotgun or a rifle for actual best possibility of stopping a fight, but those are different animals all together when you add an extra foot and a half to a barrel, and increase the shot size and payload, or have a rifle bullet at rifle velocities. In shotguns I choose 12 ga. #4, #1, or 00 buckshot preferred. In rifles, most actual rifle rounds will do, .233, 7.62x39, .30-30, .30-06, .308, etc. all put most any handgun round to shame.
Not trying to start an argument over the Judge being capable of stopping an attack, just stating that like all handguns it is a compromise just like the rest. It has some versatility, and yes they are making rounds now that may increase its effectiveness, but is still far from having any great advantage as a handgun, over anything that already exists.
I've shot a few Taurus Judges. I don't shoot them well in rapid fire like I do a Glock, Sig, or 1911. If I can get three 9mm or .45 rounds deep into a target I'll feel better than I would getting two shots out if a Judge that may get one or two projectiles deep enough to hit deep arteries, or blood filled organs to get someone to rapidly bleed out. I want to be able to hit their spine from the front. I want a round to be able to get through arm bones and still bury itself deep in the chest. I want enough stretch cavity deep in the torso to rip the aorta or vena cava without having to physically contact it. A .410 round out of a 2-3" barrel won't do that with any regularity.