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Old 12-22-2013, 06:03 AM   #1
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I was at Walmart last night looking for a PS4 for my son. No luck by the way. But as I walked down the isle I see him. At first I saw him from behind. I could clearly see he was wearing a shoulder holster. He had a full sized 1911 holstered vertically under one arm. I could also see 2 spare mags on his weak side of the rig. He was not even wearing a jacket or anything. He also had that "mall-ninja" attitude. You could see it in his stance and his body language. The clerk that was helping him was obviously uncomfortable. But they tried to stay professional about it. I stood about 3 feet behind him for a good minute before he noticed me. Then he just turned and looked my way. That is when I saw that he had a second gun in his waistband.

I immediately thought to myself, "I am glad he is here. If someone were to start shooting people I will have time to get to cover and draw my weapon because they will definitely shoot him first."

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I was at Walmart last night looking for a PS4 for my son. No luck by the way. But as I walked down the isle I see him. At first I saw him from behind. I could clearly see he was wearing a shoulder holster. He had a full sized 1911 holstered vertically under one arm. I could also see 2 spare mags on his weak side of the rig. He was not even wearing a jacket or anything. He also had that "mall-ninja" attitude. You could see it in his stance and his body language. The clerk that was helping him was obviously uncomfortable. But they tried to stay professional about it. I stood about 3 feet behind him for a good minute before he noticed me. Then he just turned and looked my way. That is when I saw that he had a second gun in his waistband.

I immediately thought to myself, "I am glad he is here. If someone were to start shooting people I will have time to get to cover and draw my weapon because they will definitely shoot him first."
That's pretty judgmental. A LOT of people carry two guns, and even more open carry. Does that make them all mall ninjas? I need more than that to go on before I call him a mall ninja.

As for the "they will definitely shoot him first" thing, that has NEVER been proven. The myth that open carrying makes you a target is just that. A myth. We've had several different threads about it and they have all came to the same conclusion. That the chances of an open carrier being targeted first are extraordinarily low.
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I was at Walmart last night looking for a PS4 for my son. No luck by the way. But as I walked down the isle I see him. At first I saw him from behind. I could clearly see he was wearing a shoulder holster. He had a full sized 1911 holstered vertically under one arm. I could also see 2 spare mags on his weak side of the rig. He was not even wearing a jacket or anything. He also had that "mall-ninja" attitude. You could see it in his stance and his body language. The clerk that was helping him was obviously uncomfortable. But they tried to stay professional about it. I stood about 3 feet behind him for a good minute before he noticed me. Then he just turned and looked my way. That is when I saw that he had a second gun in his waistband.

I immediately thought to myself, "I am glad he is here. If someone were to start shooting people I will have time to get to cover and draw my weapon because they will definitely shoot him first."
if someone wants to make a spectacle of themselves... go for it. my preference is to not be noticed and left alone. whether that attention is people gawking at my firearm or the way i dress or carry on.

nothing wrong with oc i like oc i like not having to worry if some sheeple gets a peek at my gun when i carry owb under a shirt or jacket.

thing is while it hasnt happened yet that anyone has noticed someone that is ocing provides a distraction and intimidation factor that will allow myself to remain unremarked by any mischief maker. my thinking is why should i be the attention getter when its better to remain quiet until action is needed??

my military training emphasized its better to attack from concealment that to be the one walking boldly into an ambush regardless of how well armed you are.
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If it took him a minute to notice someone looking at him, then he must not be trained on situation awareness.

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Maybe he was a federal agent?Plain clothes detective?

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As for the "they will definitely shoot him first" thing, that has NEVER been proven. The myth that open carrying makes you a target is just that. A myth. We've had several different threads about it and they have all came to the same conclusion. That the chances of an open carrier being targeted first are extraordinarily low.
Your statement that this is a myth is just as unprovable as the assertion that open carry deters crime. Here is my view on that. From a tactical standpoint, if you are the only person seen to be armed, you are a potential target. If you are one of three people carrying openly you are probably a deterrent.
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Your statement that this is a myth is just as unprovable as the assertion that open carry deters crime. Here is my view on that. From a tactical standpoint, if you are the only person seen to be armed, you are a potential target. If you are one of three people carrying openly you are probably a deterrent.
Yep.
If I was robbing the place, I would have taken this guy out first. Just saying....
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If I was robbing the place, I would have taken this guy out first. Just saying....
That's my thought, too. You don't leave known armed resistance standing around to get in your way.
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Your statement that this is a myth is just as unprovable as the assertion that open carry deters crime. Here is my view on that. From a tactical standpoint, if you are the only person seen to be armed, you are a potential target. If you are one of three people carrying openly you are probably a deterrent.
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Yep.
If I was robbing the place, I would have taken this guy out first. Just saying....
Find me real world examples of this happening, and the argument that open carrying causes one to become a potential target will have some credibility to it. As it is now, it has zero credibility since there is zero proof. A thread was started a while back asking for exactly that. VERY VERY little evidence to support that argument was found.
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Find me real world examples of this happening, and the argument that open carrying causes one to become a potential target will have some credibility to it. As it is now, it has zero credibility since there is zero proof. A thread was started a while back asking for exactly that. VERY VERY little evidence to support that argument was found.
All I have to fall back on is my military and LE training. You don't leave armed resistance standing unless they have the overwhelming force. You wait for the tactical advantage and you take them out.

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VERY VERY little evidence to support that argument was found.
But evidence was found. That's good enough for me.

I remember that thread. I remember the OP tried to guide the thread to support his argument by eliminating LE, security, and military incidents. I also remember that truth was the last thing that was welcome in that thread. Those of us that did find evidence had it shot down, not because it didn't happen, but because it didn't fit the OP's narrow thread guidelines. Many of us gave up in disgust.
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