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Old 02-24-2013, 06:11 PM   #41
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I appreciate the thoughtful comments. I've always thought myself to be very respectful to others. Still, my opinion on CC seems 'old tradition' and maybe stubborn. I believe the 2nd Amend means what it says, word for word. Even 'Conceal Carry' laws are 'wrong headed' in my opinion. CC laws came about as a compromise, a word I hate when it is all one sided! Somehow 'we' firearm owners were snookered into believing this would pacify the left's agenda. In conservative and typically western states it doesn't take a year or more and many hurdles to get your CC permit. However, in some states it is near impossible. The CC laws have become a HUGE infringement. I personally refuse to play the CC game and carry just like I have for many years.

I also have a prediction, for what it's worth. The current gun control push reminds me of the gay movement. How they just keep pushing and gain a little here and there. Consider where we are with that movement over the last 10 years. We are just one more massacre or highly published shooting away from another round. Then another round. Each time we'll lose a little. At some point, firearm owners, to keep them, will be breaking all kinds of laws the left agenda will eventually impose.

Back to the Thread: I will give business where CC is welcome and mind my own business toward the others. However, 'No firearm signs' are an infringement except where a guard or law enforcement is present. And I ask myself 'WHY' do they post such a sign? I'll quit now and hear others thoughts.
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Old 02-24-2013, 06:18 PM   #42
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I try to support pro gun business'. If I have a choice I will always spend my money there. But if I have to do business with a place with a sign I will respect their right.
Exactly! You don't have to do business where the management posts signs on their door. .
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I also have a prediction, for what it's worth. The current gun control push reminds me of the gay movement. How they just keep pushing and gain a little here and there. Consider where we are with that movement over the last 10 years. We are just one more massacre or highly published shooting away from another round. Then another round. Each time we'll lose a little. At some point, firearm owners, to keep them, will be breaking all kinds of laws the left agenda will eventually impose.

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i cant resist...

so your saying we are JUST one ccw law from this:

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i subscribe to a simple philosophy and the way i would want to be treated. that's what it boils down to and that's respect of others peoples and property owners rights. respect.

it's fine and dandy if you go into an establishment carrying and are not found out, and they have a no firearms policy. okay fine and dandy, but in all essence you just disrespected that person or the property owner. you were so selfish and inconsiderate as to feel your right to carry was more important than their rights as a property owner. are we feeling good about ourselves now? it was their property and they had the right to set the rules, but you disregarded them as if it was your property and you had the right to do as you please.

we as gun owners want people and business' to respect our rights, and well it is our right through the 2nd amendment and our states right to carry to be able to protect ourselves. well we need to as gun owners set a higher example for ourselves and respect the rights and wishes of others as well, moreso even when we disagree with their wishes or rules. we have to set the bar for ourselves to a higher standard and show everyone that we are the law abiding citizen and that we care about and respect others rights and wishes.

there are over 45,000 members here on this forum. it's also an open forum to anyone with internet access. this means even those gun hating liberals we dislike so much, those fence sitters, and even many property and business owners can or do frequent these forums. and for some to say they will diregard those rights and wishes and carry is simply saying that as gun owners and people who CC, we don't care what your rights are, we don't care if it's your property, we will do as we wish. well IMO, this sets a bad example for us. want to change these people and property owners minds and ways of thinking? vote with your wallet! do business elsewhere! it's really just that simple.

people who have CC permits and carry have gone through an extensive backgoround check and even moreso than just a person who buys a firearm. lets use this to our advantage and eduacate those other people about that. that we are not a danger and actually an asset for them. think about respect and education instead of just your right to carry.
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I SINCERELY hope we are not one law away from THAT!! Did you see that episode?

BTW moderators, this reminds me, we need a puking smiley......
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i subscribe to a simple philosophy and the way i would want to be treated. that's what it boils down to and that's respect of others peoples and property owners rights. respect.

it's fine and dandy if you go into an establishment carrying and are not found out, and they have a no firearms policy. okay fine and dandy, but in all essence you just disrespected that person or the property owner. you were so selfish and inconsiderate as to feel your right to carry was more important than their rights as a property owner. are we feeling good about ourselves now? it was their property and they had the right to set the rules, but you disregarded them as if it was your property and you had the right to do as you please.

we as gun owners want people and business' to respect our rights, and well it is our right through the 2nd amendment and our states right to carry to be able to protect ourselves. well we need to as gun owners set a higher example for ourselves and respect the rights and wishes of others as well, moreso even when we disagree with their wishes or rules. we have to set the bar for ourselves to a higher standard and show everyone that we are the law abiding citizen and that we care about and respect others rights and wishes.

there are over 45,000 members here on this forum. it's also an open forum to anyone with internet access. this means even those gun hating liberals we dislike so much, those fence sitters, and even many property and business owners can or do frequent these forums. and for some to say they will diregard those rights and wishes and carry is simply saying that as gun owners and people who CC, we don't care what your rights are, we don't care if it's your property, we will do as we wish. well IMO, this sets a bad example for us. want to change these people and property owners minds and ways of thinking? vote with your wallet! do business elsewhere! it's really just that simple.

people who have CC permits and carry have gone through an extensive backgoround check and even moreso than just a person who buys a firearm. lets use this to our advantage and eduacate those other people about that. that we are not a danger and actually an asset for them. think about respect and education instead of just your right to carry.
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i subscribe to a simple philosophy and the way i would want to be treated. that's what it boils down to and that's respect of others peoples and property owners rights. respect.

it's fine and dandy if you go into an establishment carrying and are not found out, and they have a no firearms policy. okay fine and dandy, but in all essence you just disrespected that person or the property owner. you were so selfish and inconsiderate as to feel your right to carry was more important than their rights as a property owner. are we feeling good about ourselves now? it was their property and they had the right to set the rules, but you disregarded them as if it was your property and you had the right to do as you please.

we as gun owners want people and business' to respect our rights, and well it is our right through the 2nd amendment and our states right to carry to be able to protect ourselves. well we need to as gun owners set a higher example for ourselves and respect the rights and wishes of others as well, moreso even when we disagree with their wishes or rules. we have to set the bar for ourselves to a higher standard and show everyone that we are the law abiding citizen and that we care about and respect others rights and wishes.

there are over 45,000 members here on this forum. it's also an open forum to anyone with internet access. this means even those gun hating liberals we dislike so much, those fence sitters, and even many property and business owners can or do frequent these forums. and for some to say they will diregard those rights and wishes and carry is simply saying that as gun owners and people who CC, we don't care what your rights are, we don't care if it's your property, we will do as we wish. well IMO, this sets a bad example for us. want to change these people and property owners minds and ways of thinking? vote with your wallet! do business elsewhere! it's really just that simple.

people who have CC permits and carry have gone through an extensive backgoround check and even moreso than just a person who buys a firearm. lets use this to our advantage and eduacate those other people about that. that we are not a danger and actually an asset for them. think about respect and education instead of just your right to carry.
Your right your philosophy is simple, it's a fairy tale!!!! I wasn't going to reply but You
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Your right your philosophy is simple, it's a fairy tale!!!! I wasn't going to reply but You
why did you? unless you simply wanted to troll or start an agument!

i didn't see you replying with any information or opposing opinions, just a smart alec remark.
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why did you? unless you simply wanted to troll or start an agument!

i didn't see you replying with any information or opposing opinions, just a smart alec remark.
What I was going to say ( got cut off) is that in States that the no weapons sign means no more than a piece of toilet paper according to state law, most business owners or corporate stores post the signs for liability reasons... It's CYA to get cheaper insurance..
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What I was going to say ( got cut off) is that in States that the no weapons sign means no more than a piece of toilet paper according to state law, most business owners or corporate stores post the signs for liability reasons... It's CYA to get cheaper insurance..
then please explain why my philosophy is a "fairy tale" a you put it?

did you even read my posts on this subject or just decide to pick and choose what didn't appeal to you?

my reasoning is based on what i feel is respectful and moral and ethical. you're free to disagree and so be it.

personally i don't give one rat's azz why they post their signs, it is still their right to do so and i will respect taht right even if i disagree with it.
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