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Old 04-11-2014, 05:40 AM   #101
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I would like to do the same thing and will also wait to get permission. I would like to post it to my own Facebook, with attribution of course and I also run the West Central Illinois Friends of NRA Facebook page and web site. This post would be of interest to our members as well. I also expect it would bring traffic and new members here. I'll wait to here more... Thanks - Dave
to be totally honest, Canebrake has been absent from the forum for some time now. maybe PM the Mods or the Administrator to get permission.
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I would like to do the same thing and will also wait to get permission. I would like to post it to my own Facebook, with attribution of course and I also run the West Central Illinois Friends of NRA Facebook page and web site. This post would be of interest to our members as well. I also expect it would bring traffic and new members here. I'll wait to here more... Thanks - Dave
Very sadly, Canebrake hasn't been here in a while. I think he once said it could be copied as long as he is given credit. I would so go ahead and share it but BE SURE TO CREDIT IT TO HIM. I would hate for him to come across his work and no credit be given to him. He is a kind and patient man but I wouldn't want to abuse his patience.
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Thanks for the update. I will be sure to credit him and the forum.

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You should always know that if you pull your weapon you will automatically be the BAD GUY to the police. Even if you are protecting yourself from harm. That's why it is so important to know exactly when you should pull it out. I appreciate your advice, but I would like to talk about the fact that police want you to immediately fill out their documents stating what exactly happened. If you fail to do that by just saying, "I feel sick, I need to go home." It is an immediate red flag to them that you are the bad guy, you are avoiding the truth. Even though it is completely within your rights to wait a while to calm down before filling out or answering questions, attorney generals take that as proof to avoiding the truth and say you are trying to cover up the truth. If you are innocent you should have filled out the documents/answered questions right then. You only wanted to talk to your lawyer because you are guilty.

The biggest thing is knowing exactly when to draw your weapon. And accepting the fact that if you do draw it, you are going to be considered the bad guy and will spend lots of time and money to prove otherwise...sad!

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As someone who recently applied for his CCW, I read managed to come across this and I am glad I did. Made me think about what I'm getting myself into. Definitely made me want to go to the range more, take classes, and make sure that I'm ready to accept the responsibility of protecting my life as well as others when/if the time comes. I surely don't wanna be unprepared if I were to need to be. Great article for reference to make sure I know what to do after something happens. Regardless of location.

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From another post. Excellent write-up. Really made me think beyond what I have already thought.

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Read this before you decide to carry!



Note to ALL: This is a canebrake process and in no way to be taken as a "MUST FOLLOW" set of instructions to be followed by the sheeple herd or other Nancy Boys engaged in interwebz flaming. This is not a FireArmsTalk.com endorsed or condoned doctrine. It is however, a philosophy applied by this 66 year old gun totin' codger that has served him well.



Regardless of whether justified or not, you will feel sad about killing another human being. It is better to be sad than to be room temperature.



If you are involved in a shooting and are the survivor, this is the canebrake MUST DO:



During the first second of post-shooting quiet, do a tactical reload and store the ejected, but not yet empty mag in a convenient pocket, DO NOT put it in your mag pouch! This will prevent you from grabbing it later thinking its fresh. During this reload do a 360 sweep clearing the area for additional BGs.



Draw down on the Bad Guy's center mass and watch his hands as you approach. Hands kill! Everything else is just a distraction! Clear the Tango of any weapons and make sure he is no longer a threat. DO NOT shoot again unless he moves at you. By this time you will more than likely be on someone's candid camera!



If the Tango is no longer a threat, safe and holster your weapon. The officers responding have no idea what has happened, won't know who the good guy is, won't know who the bad guy is, and if they find you standing over a body with a gun in your hand you're likely to get a bad reaction.



While keeping a safe distance, stay alert! This guy was trying to kill you just minutes ago! Continue your 360 sweeps for any BG’s that may show up! Start yelling "CALL 911! CALL EMS!". DO THIS until someone confirms they have called!



If you are alone, use your cell phone to call 911 and tell them "There has been a shooting at **your location**, get here fast!" and say nothing more. Do Not hang up and set the phone down while still connected to the 911 operator allowing then to find you. Do not speak to anyone, frequently visually clear the area for BGs and wait until the police/EMS arrives. When the first responders arrive, hurry them to the Tango to provide assistance. I don't care a rat's bottom about the Tango but what I do care about is having the first responder put in his report that when he rolled up on the scene that I was trying to save the Tango’s life! That single statement in his report will show contrition on my part and instantly protect me from a prosecutor trying to portray me as the CCW permit holder and a blood-thirsty vigilante.



When asked by the police the only thing you EVER say is, "He said he was going to kill me. I believed him. I'm sorry, Officer, but I'm very upset now. I can't say anything more. Please let me speak with my attorney. I assure you that you will have my full cooperation after I consult with my attorney."



You will need to surrender your identification, CCW license and weapon. With this completed, request to be released to return home, you’re about to be sick. If everything is in order they should return your ID and CCWL and let you go. With the exception of yes or no answers to ID questions or to point out the location of the Tango's weapon, DO NOT answer any other questions! You have invoked the attorney card and are not required to speak to them. You are upset, sick and want to go home! By now they have run and verified your info, know where you live and should let you go.


If the police persist with questioning you do have an option. If you are convinced they intend to run you through the grinder tell them you are so upset that you are having chest pains. (You may actually be having chest pains.) They will have to send you to the hospital and admit you to intensive care, probably for 24 hours. You cannot be questioned further and certainly not in intensive care. You will then have time to THINK, gather your composure and visit with your lawyer. This will also be part of your record as to how upset and afraid you really were.


Remember it is the LEO's job to produce evidence, he is not your friend and anything you say can be used against you. Keep your mouth shut!



Be sure you have a lawyer prior to carrying. Call the attorney now. If it's late, you will probably get a service or machine. Go on record then, do not wait until you can speak to him in person and leave this message; "This is (You) and I require your services for a shooting I was involved in." NEVER (did I say never?) say you shot somebody, not to anyone other than your retained lawyer and not even to him on the phone.



If you re-read the above you will notice you have NOT once said you shot your gun much less the Tango. You have not lied but more importantly, you have not provided the Tango's legal defense team anything they can run with. This is very important. Invoke the attorney card and say nothing, even when questioned about you gun being fully loaded. You are not required to! Keep saying, "I'm sick and need to go home."







CCW is what I perceive to be the most personally responsible decision I have made third only to my wedding vows and active service to this great country. Concealed carry is NOT playing cowboys and indians (pardon my age tell) and I’m afraid that’s exactly what many are doing today. When we post encounters as entertainment rather than a positive outcome from our correct decisions we only feed to a “Denny Crain” type response.



When you decide to carry a concealed weapon, you have burdened yourself with tremendous responsibilities including, but not limited to, physical fitness, firearm and CQB training, in-depth knowledge and handling skills of your weapon of choice and the moral obligation that the issuing authority extracts from you when you applied for the CCW license.



When your 'go criteria' are met, you MUST draw your concealed carry and if nothing else has changed, it’s not time to talk, it's time to use the deadly force you have trained to render. If that reaction isn’t one smooth ‘muscle memory’, you’re dead! PLEASE NOTICE: I did not say if you draw you must shoot. That’s why I included the “CHANGE” caveat because if the BG turned and ran I would clear the area and then reholster.



I would also report the incidence to the local police/county sheriff. This gives them a heads-up on the BG in their area and protects me for going non-concealed. Brandishing, here in South Florida, is prosecuted harshly to control the gangsters and road rage.



There is no fun in concealed carry; it’s a profession that must be executed by professionals. If you do not embrace this school of thought, you have no business being armed. If you don't embrace this, it is my fear that I or my loved ones could become part of your collateral damage.



I need to emphasize the gravity of this carry decision with these two points;



A. Use your head (your most powerful weapon) and only draw and fire your weapon to save you or someone’s life. This is the only righteous shooting. Anything else will find you in a cage or a box. Long before you put yourself in the ‘shoot’ position, you better have completed all the legal requirements that allow you to be there. In addition you must complete the following personal conditions;


  1. Training,
  2. Understand and accept the moral obligation that the issuing authority extracts from you when you applied for the CCW license,
  3. Training,
  4. The moral mettle to take a life,
  5. Training,
  6. Know and keep up on the laws covering carry in the location you are armed (political boundaries and building restrictions),
  7. Training,
  8. At a bare minimum have a gun rights lawyer’s phone number on your cell’s speed dial,
  9. Training,
  10. Retain that lawyer if you can afford it,
  11. and did I mention training?

B. See A or you will get yourself killed!



We are neither a vigilante nor a hired gun, just a survivalist.

One question.. Wouldn't they search your pockets, and find the partial/empty mag?
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[QUOTE=michigan0626;854543]Im not a cop. I have no intentions on "playing a cop." But, does it make sense to keep a set of handcuffs at home, and maybe carry a small set of zipcuffs in your pocket out side the home? So that while the man is incappacitated you can eith cuff him or ziptie him behind the back then begin to administer any life saving messures. This would prevent him from assualting you while within arms length. Your not arresting anyone, you are simply doing it for your safety. Which is more important than his life. Cops do it all the time, "for their safety" while conducting stops and pat searches.



It seems like a fine line between performing life saving measures to look better in court and maintaining your upmost personal safety.[/

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I would think that might give the prosecutor some ammunition to argue that you are a trigger happy cop wanna be like they did in the Travon Martin case. They can skew anything you do to make it look like YOU are the guilty party. Just my 2 cents.

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